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Ezechiel 22/ 9 - de SB_one la: 15/11/2003 14:18:44
(la: A existat holocaust in Romania?)
9. In tine sint birfitori , ca sa verse singe; in tine se maninca jertfe idolesti pe munti; in mijlocul tau se fac desfrinari.

11. in mijlocul tau, fircare se deda la uriciuni cu nevasta aproapelui sau, fiecare se spurca cu amestecare de singe cu nora-sa, fiecare necinsteste pe soru-sa, pe fiica tatalui sau.

12. in tine, se iau daruri pentru varsare de singe. Tu iei dobinda si camata, jefuiesti cu sila pe aproapele tau, si pe Mine Ma uiti , zice Domnul Dumnezeu

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15. te voi risipi printe neamuri, te voi raspindi in toate felurite tzarii, si itzi voi nimicii cu desavirsire necuratzenia din mijlocul tau.

18. Fiul omului, casa lui Izrael a ajuns pentru Mine ca niste zgura; totzi sint arama, cositor,...in cuptorul topit.

21. Da, va voi stringe si voi sufla peste voi cu focul miniei mele si va vetzi topi in el.

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29. poporul din tara se deda la silnicie, fura, asupreste pe cel nenorocit si pe cel lipsit, calca in picioare pe strain impotriva oricarei dreptatzi

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samd

PS sint tentat sa cred ca astea toate sint istorii trecute sau povesti; dar cineva le-a scris iar daca despre poporul roman nu sa scris nimic ptr. ca el a fost acolo tot timpul ( penibil de) cuminte, despre altii sa scris...sa scris ca au "facut ceva" Nu e treaba noastra acum sa stim ce au facut. Dar e treaba lor sa stie ca in lume sau definit niste norme de comportament care ar fi frumos sa nu fie uitate
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Avocatei anonime de la 9979 - de HappyCajun la: 19/02/2004 15:34:18
(la: De ce vreau sa emigrez)
“A fost un efort crincen, atit intelectual (32 de materii) cit si fizic (12 ore de examinare).”

Surprise, surprise! In US, ca sa dobindesti ceva, trebuie sa depui efort. Hm, de ce oare nu ni s-a aratat asta la tv in Romania/Europa de Est (Ewing family si alte soap operas)?

“Imi pare rau sa dezamagesc autorul acestui articol dar, din pacate, societea occidentala nu functioneaza deloc asa cum credem noi, atunci cind ne aflam inca in Europa de Est. Ne-am ivatat prost sa-i idealizam atit valorile cit si modul de functionare care nu este deloc impecabil, din contra. De la mizeria fizica in care oamenii traiesc, cel putin unii din ei, pina la oameni care mor cu zile in spitale din cauza negljentei doctorilor si pina la incultura crasa care este evidenta peste to. Vorbesc despre copii de 11 ani care nu stiu sa citeasca si de matematica de clasa a IX-a pe care noi o faceam in clasa a V-a.”

V-ati invirtit in cercuri destul de…joase. Incercati si persoane care au absolvit mai mult decit un liceu (public, ca cei care merg la liceele particulare fac macar atita carte cit se facea in Romania pina in 90).
Iar legat de spitale...no comment, ideea enuntata e hilara.

“Vorbesc despre modul de-a dreptul inuman in care se munceste aici, pentru aproape nimic si despre faptul ca esti SINGUR pentru ca nu ai timp de prieteni, sa ti-i faci si, daca ai totusi noroc sa ai doi sau trei, nu ai timp de ei, pentru ca pleci dimineata la 7 si vii seara la noua.”

Ooops, nici asta nu ne-au aratat la tv, cit de workaholics sint americanii! Apropos, 7-9, ati inclus si tranportul pina la serviciu, nu-i asa?

“Ca sa nu mai vorbesc despre faptul ca nu exista, pe fond, un sistem de pensii decit pentru lucratorii de stat sau guvernamentali. Ceilalti sint condamnati sa-si incheie activitatea la peste 60 de ani si sa primeasca o pensie de $1000/luna.”

Mai documentati-va. Nu exista sistemul de ajuror social ca in Europa sau Canada, unde toata lumea primeste. Aici (US) ca sa primesti ceva, trebuie sa muncesti. Majoritatea investesc in asa numitul fond de pensii ( la companii, pe cont propriu la banca, samd). Nimeni nu e condamnat sa-si inceteze activitatea la 60, se poate (si se munceste) si dupa 60 de ani. Si nu se munceste ‘pe nimic’. Salariul minim pe ora e $5.75 sau asa ceva. Depinde de calificare, de vechime, samd. Cine vrea salar mai mare, isi poate imbunatati nivelul de pregatire, sau lua doua slujbe. Iar $1000/luna reprezinta $12000/an. Se poate trai.

“Ca sa va dau o idee despre ce inseamna $1000/luna in NY am sa va spun ca un apartament cu 2 camere se inchiriaza aici cu $1200.”

Nimeni nu te condamna sa locuiesti in New York, sau Chicago, sau Los Angeles. Exista destule zone unde se gasesc apartamente de doua camere cu $300-600/luna, si case decente cu $100000-200000 (creditele se dau pe 30 de ani, iar dobinzile, cel putin acum, sint mici).
Iar despre preturile din NY….eu am locuit 6 luni in Midtown si pretul apartamentului de un dormitor era de…$3400/luna.

"Imi este greu, pentru ca traiesc intr-o societate uscata, fara nici un fel de valori, in afara de cele pecuniare, infectata de ipocrizie si de o forma de comunism cu o fata care este alta decit cea pe care o stiam noi."

Adevarat? Si ce parere credeti ca ar avea INS-ul (pardon, BCIS) despre enuntul dvs legat de 'comunismul american'?
Go home, lady, go straight home.

"Am atins si subiectul asta pentru ca inceputurile mele aici nu au fost deloc glorioase, din contra: am lucrat 7 luni vinzatoare la Lancome, inconjurata de femei care imi puteau fi mama si care aveau coeficientul de inteligenta al unui foetus si care erau foarte diligent dirijate de cite o mucoasa de 22 de ani proaspat absolventa a unui colegiu."

Evrika! Asta era. Vechea mentalitate a la Romania. Cum eu, d-na avocat, sa fac munca de jos? Asta si hint-urile de la “un efort crincen, atit intelectual (32 de materii) cit si fizic (12 ore de examinare)” si “modul de-a dreptul inuman in care se munceste aici”. Ca in orice domeniu in care se cistiga foarte bine, examenele sint dure, iar examenele de echivalare- si mai dure.
In plus, condusa de, cum ati zis, o mucoasa de 22 de ani proaspat absolventa a unui colegiu (universitate). Da, daca ‘mucoasa’ se orientase bine la universitate si a luat diploma ca major in Business sau Finante…Sau numai pt. simplul motiv ca era o absolventa isteata, pt. care a munci de la 7-9 nu reprezenta un efort crincen (intellectual, fizic, samd). Probabil ca era si full US citizen.
Si ca inchei, inceputurile nu v-au fost glorioase, nici prezentul nu prea se arata a fi. Ramine speranta pt. viitor….si asta doar in cazul reintoarcerii la matca.
(:

Happy Cajun
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scoli in US - de HappyCajun la: 27/02/2004 15:33:43
(la: Romani in strainatate)
Referitor la scoala din US: am predat undergraduate courses (echivalentul cursurilor universitare de la noi) 5 ani si am dat preparatii la studenti de an I-IV, la elevi de public highschool si la elevi de private highschool. Am auzit/citit pe foarte multi (romani) spunind ca elevii americani sint prosti si slab pregatiti, pe foarte putini i-am auzit facind referire la programa de aici, foarte diferita de cea romaneasca (in Romania am predat 4 ani). Liceele de stat asigura un minimum de pregatire, e adevarat. Copiii dotati (gifted) insa sint pusi in clase speciale si li se preda la un nivel ridicat si un ritm alert. Si daca comparati elevii gifted de aici cu cei buni din tara, diferentele nu sint asa de mari. Elevii buni din clasele XI si XII au optiunea de a lua cursuri la universitate (in general e vorba de cursurile de an I sau freshman level) care vor fi recunoscute la nr. dupa ce intra la college (facultate). Cursurile universitare pentru anul intii si doi acopera materia claselor IX-XII din Romania, la un nivel ceva mai ridicat. Ma refer in special la matematica, fizica si chimie.
Daca se incearca o comparatie la nivel de final de liceu…cei de aici (US) sint dezavantajati, programa fiind mult mai usoara. Dar o diploma de liceu in US nu ofera prea multe sanse (McDonald si altele similare, salar minim). Asa ca majoritatea merg la college (universitate) si educatia se completeaza. Dupa facultate urmeaza cursurile de specializare, sau grad school-ul pt. cei care vor un master sau un doctorat.
Iar in Romania, din cite imi amintesc, nu toti elevii 'miscau muntii'. Intr-o clasa de 36 de la un liceu teoretic, erau cam 6 foarte buni, care invatau usor si cu putin efort, era majoritatea care statea pe carti si luau preparatii pompate cu bani grei, si alti 6 sau asa ceva care se cam...tirau. Si nu intrau 100% la facultate.

Nu am considerat niciodata colegii mei americani ca fiind prosti. Faptul ca eu luasem un curs asemanator in facultate in Romania nu ma facea mai desteapta, ci doar mai bine informata la inceput de semestru. Iar la sfirsit de semestru, si eu si ei ajungeam la acelasi nivel. Cu toata scoala mult laudata din Romania (si nu spun asta peiorativ) si scoala americana atit de luata in deridere, la sfirsitul studiilor facute aici, romani, germani, americani, turci, rusi si alte natii, bagajul de cunostinte e cam acelasi. Am lucrat/lucrez in doua laboratoare nationale (Argonne si Los Alamos) si am intilnit romani in ambele. Sint buni dar….nu sint singurii buni. La fel cum mitul cu ‘chinezii sint grozavi’ ramine…un mit. Creiere sint peste tot, ma bucura cind vad romani pe listele cu grad students sau profesori la facultati si centre de cercetare, dar de aici si pina la ‘we are the best’ e cale lunga.
Si referitor la olimpiadele internationale, tot am citit pe Cafenea cum romanii cistiga ‘integral’, ‘majoritar’, etc. Rezultatele de pe site-urile oficiale ale Olimpiadelor Internationale de mate si fizica (olimpiade care se tin cu elevi de liceu) arata altfel. Si cu astea inchei. Imi cer scuze pentrun eventualele greseli de ortografie, vorbesc romaneste cam o ora pe saptamina si scriu tot cam atit. In plus Word-ul imi tot corecteaza cuvintele si ies trasnai.

Matematica Country Ranking by Year

Romania
1995 2
1996 1
1997 7 impartit cu Bulgaria
1998 11
1999 4
2000 11 impartit cu Israel
2001 15
2002 8
2003 7

USA
1995 11
1996 2
1997 4 impartit cu Rusia
1998 3
1999 10
2000 3
2001 2
2002 3
2003 3

China – locuri intii: 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999 (cu Rusia), 1997, 1995

Fizica total premii (1967 – 2003)

Romania
2 absolute winner
22 premii I
38 premii II
42 premii III
25 mentiuni speciale

USA
1 absolute winner
16 premii I
12 premii II
25 premii III
11 mentiuni speciale

China
7 absolute winner
44 premii I
18 premii II
9 premii III
2 mentiuni speciale

HappyC.
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Cele 9 luni facute la tancuri - de Florin si atat la: 11/03/2004 17:43:51
(la: Ati mai face armata?)
Cele 9 luni facute la tancuri sint din parte din viata mea. Erau obligatorii si trebuia sa le fac.

In prima zi mi-am pus in gind sa fug...faptul ca as fii ajuns in puscarie m-a oprit.
Sint convins ca cele noua luni m-au schimbat.. cred ca m-au atentionat, intr-un fel, pentru ce urma in viata.

A fost prima data cind am inteles ce inseamna sa faci ce iti spun altii...ca nu poti sa-ti exprimi parerea...

...M-a deranjat faptul ca am fost folosit la munca agricola...

Mi-au placut cursurile technice si tragerile...nu mi-a placut fugitul pe cimpiile si dealurile patriei...cu masca de gaze si cu rucsacul.. chiar si fara ele nu era placut.

Eram 72 in dormitor, baia si WC-ul nu aveau lumina...invatasem sa merg in intuneric.

N-am avut niciodata bilet de invoire in oras...si saream gardul. Dupa citeva beri si un gratar sau mici citeodata ma intorceam ca omul civilizat pe poarta. Ajungeam la arest unde trebuia sa curat o cada de cartofi si una de peste congelat pe noapte.
Ajunsesem un expert...ca sa pot sa ma duc la culcare. Si azi nevasta-mea se intreaba cum pot sa curat cartofi asa de repede..:)
Urasc spalatul vaselor...
N-as mai sta in post, linga un cimitir, in mijloc de iarna la -20 grade.

...Dupa facultate (dupa '89) am refuzat sa ma duc cele doua saptamini sa-mi iau gradul de locotenent. Nu conteaza ce spun altii, armata a atras in civili in '89 si eu nu am putut sa iert.

Daca as face armata din nou? Daca ar fii o optiune pentru fiecare, nu. Daca mi s-ar fii dat sansa sa scap de armata, dar altii sa mearga, nu as fi acceptat...dar daca as fii stiut de '89...

Florin si atat
9/11/2001 - de Little Eagle la: 25/03/2004 14:47:41
(la: 11 Septembrie 2001)
Pt. Paianjen,
La site-ul tau adaug si eu unul f. interesant pt. cine e interesat:
http://www.geocities.com/purplesage23/theyknew.html#timeline

Ca fapt divers,in acea zi tocmai eram in drum spre studioul unde lucram,in Manhattan,era ora 9:00AM si eram pe punctul de a traversa strada 42 pe 5th Ave.Era verde pt. pietoni si am observat ca nimeni nu traversa din sens opus...toata lumea se uita in sus in departare,eu fiind cu spatele si m-am intors sa vad la ce se uitau si aratau cu degetele...am vazut un nor de fum urias ...distanta ar fi cam de 30 blocuri de unde eram si prima impresie ce am avut si trecut prin cap a fost ca e vorba de un incendiu urias,deja pompierii mergeau intr-acolo.
Mi-am continuat drumul si ajuns la studio erau citiva colegi ce stateau la masa si se uitau la TV....atunci am realizat catastrofa imensa si vazut pe ecran cum primul turn se prabusea....la numai 2-3 min. de cind ma uitam la TV am vazut cum al 2lea avion intra in al 2lea turn....CREDE-MA ca eram in soc total!!!!NU-MI venea sa cred ca poate fi adevarat!!!!!Ne-am dus la geamuri si fiind la etaj inalt am putut vedea mai bine pe viu norii grei de fum,iti spun ca toti tremuram si fumam
tigara dupa tigara si nu aveam puterea de a ne zice nimic unul altuia!
Eram toti socati si fetele plingeau si tremurau.
desigur ca nu am lucrat in acea zi si nici urmatoarele caci am stat acasa,traficul se oprise,tunelele inchise,nu aveam cum sa fac naveta din New Jersey (cu autobuzul
ce musai trebuie sa treaca prin Lincoln Tunel ce era inchis).
In acea zi am ajuns tirziu acasa si cu un tren special plin la refuz de lume.NIMENI NU spunea o vorba in tren!!!Toti eram tristi si abatuti,femeile plingeau.
M-am gindit la cumnatul meu care avea biroul chiar pe Wall St. si ....cladirea fiind VECINA DE STRADA cu...GEMENII!!!!
Acasa sotia lui era disperata nu auzise nimic de la el,mobilul lui nu functiona.
Dupa citeva ore in final el a dat telefon de la un hotel unde s-a cazat neputind pleca din oras.Era OK dar zdruncinat psihic....El este sef executiv(firma de brokers)
si imediat dupa primul turn lovit a spus tuturor sa plece din cladire ignorind securitatea cladirii care le-a spus sa ...stea inauntru.Dupa aldoilea turn,acesta cazind a afectat...cladirea in care avea biroul si treptat ea n-a putut fi salvata ci s-a darimat de la sine!!!!!In panica ce a urmat dupa primul turn si fum si praf si cioburi de geamuri pe jos el a alergat in sus adica uptown Manhattan,si-a pierdut un pantof si taiat pe picior in cioburi dar a continuat sa fuga speriat si socat si ceea ce l-a socat si mai mult au fost...bufniturile de trupuri de oameni ce se aruncasera de la etajele in flacari si cadeau pe trotuare...unele chiar pe linga el!!!
Pt. el a fost o experienta ingrozitoare.N-a putut dormi cu noptile.Din anul trecut din nou lucreaza in acea zona,intr-o alta cladire noua.In fiecare an de 9/11 isi duce intregul lui colectiv de subalterni(45 la numar) si la fel si seful lui direct la un restaurant unde rezerva mesele pt. dinner el platind totul,fiind o cina in memoria acelor tragice evenimente si a celor morti.

Am tinut sa-ti scriu astea,la fel si pt. forumistii ce poate nu au trait acele clipe de tragedie nefiind in NY la acea data fatidica.
LOVE&PEACE,
Ozzy
9 la romana! - de Alice la: 27/06/2004 22:38:01
(la: Sistemul de invatamant in Romania)
1. examenul, fiind ORAL, trebuia tratat ca atare - pe ciorna trebuia sa schitezi ideile principale ale argumentatiei tale, nicidecum sa dezvolti subiectul.
2. 'eficienta sistemului' nu se masoara in timpul pe care il petrec elevii asteptand sa le vina randul la examen.
3. rolul celor zece :) intreruperi este cat se poate de serios: profesorii trebuie sa stie daca elevul a memorat mecanic ceea ce tocmai prezinta. Nu vad de ce te-ar deranja intrebarile suplimentare - daca ti se cere sa nuantezi o idee pe care tocmai ai enuntat-o este o mana de ajutor, iar nu un obstacol. (ah, crede-ma, nu-i nici un profesor acolo care sa tina sa-si demonstreze superioritatea in fata elevului!)
4. 'tentativa de initiativa' :)zici? ei bine, la bacalaureat se evalueaza cunostintele acumulate in cei 4 ani de liceu, nu ... tentativele.
5. 'dreptatea' ? ... felicitari! ai intrat in lumea oamenilor mari, in care asa ceva se castiga nu se cere!
6. ar trebui sa stii mai multe despre cum se construieste un mini-eseu, respecatand niste reguli minimale pe care ai uitat sa le folosesti aici.
Ai omis sa-ti argumentezi ideile, ai sarit peste concluzie, iar titlul n-are nici o legatura cu textul.

Evaluarile nu vor fi niciodata 'corecte', se va gasi mereu careva avantajat - uneori vom fi noi, si-atunci vom uita sa lovim in sistem ...

Si, pisicutzo ... nota 9 la romana n-a fost niciodata un esec.

. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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Fahrenheit 9 / 11 - de SB_one la: 04/09/2004 17:56:40
(la: Sugestii!)
...eeee adminule, te lasi cam greu...:-)) cred ca tre sa vin special la Paris sa reglam problema...ai noroc: m-am programat ptr. Italia, Lago di Garda
acu' merg sa vad filmul de mai sus(Fahrenheit 9 / 11) sa vedem ce face taica Bush jr. si pe urma, vin cu detalii,daca mai pot...

SB
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it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice !
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azi, Life #9 - Martina McBrid - de coffeeaddict la: 08/11/2004 17:36:35
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azi, Life #9 - Martina McBride
Unfairenheit 9/11 - de (anonim) la: 10/11/2004 12:38:22
(la: Fahrenheit 9/11)
Oameni buni, ati trait ideologia social comunista pe pielea voastra. Nu v'a fost de ajuns? De unde atata simpatie pentru stanga politica?

Doua recomandari:
1. Obsesii antiamericane - Francoise Revel (poate se mai gaseste la Humanitas)
2. Unfairenheit 9/11 The lies of Michael Moore. By Christopher Hitchens
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

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Unfairenheit 9/11 * #28227, - de gabriel.serbescu la: 10/11/2004 20:19:19
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Unfairenheit 9/11
#28227, de un anonim la Wed, 10/11/2004 - 12:38
¨Oameni buni, ati trait ideologia social comunista pe pielea voastra. Nu v'a fost de ajuns? De unde atata simpatie pentru stanga politica?¨


Articolul pe care-l linkui, e scris de un ¨columnist¨ (in josul paginii se vede) de la revista Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.co.uk/), o revista de pe acarei portada ne intampina Leonardo di Caprio, ca sa stim de la inceput despre ce revista e vorba si despre ce continut vorbim.
Pe de alta parte ideologia comunista nu inseamna stanga politica in totalitatea ei. Si ar mai fi de facut o constatare, noi nu am trait intr-un sistem comunist, pentru ca un sistem comunist nu poate fi pus in aplicare. E utopic asadar. In schimb ne-am bucurat de o dictatura sovietica. Comunism au trait (in masura aplicarii utopiei la realitate): sarbii, ungurii, polonezii, cehoslovacii, parte a germanilor etc. tari ce au aplicat anumite percepte comuniste in niste limite. una dintre ele a fost nesuprimarea micilor mestesuguri, a micului comert, iar initiativa liberala (privata) a fost tolerata.
Incaodata repet, obsesia mea, stanga e expresia logica a ideologiilor liberale, de dreapta, cum pentru a se mentine un echilibru, in opozitie cu conservatorismul i se vor opune intodeauna progresistii. Ce dracu? chiar asa de grea e politica?
Fahrenheit 9/11 nu este un fi - de Little Eagle la: 13/11/2004 23:26:26
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Fahrenheit 9/11 nu este un film antiamerican ci anti Bush.Este o mare diferenta.
Doar cei ce accepta minciuna refuza sa vada adevarul.

LOVE&PEACE,
Ozzy

"Fahrenheit 9/11 nu este un f - de Daniel Racovitan la: 14/11/2004 16:22:15
(la: Fahrenheit 9/11)
"Fahrenheit 9/11 nu este un film antiamerican ci anti Bush."

Asa e, dar din pacate ciz... America "adanca" gandeste mai degraba la modul "dai in mine, dai in tine, dai in fabrici si uzine, pardon, dai in Bush, dai in America".

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Propaganda 9/11 ANTI-AMERCANA - de kradu la: 25/11/2004 10:46:32
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9/11 e o mascarada Antiamericana! Si stii de ce?
Poti critica totul aici pe pamintul aceta al dreptatii si al justitiei!
Ce se intimpla cind faci acelasi lucru la KAKAN in micuta republica musulmana franceza? Asta devine o rusine pe care nu trebuie sa o faci!
De ce? Daca ma vei intreba am sa-ti raspund!
Aroganta si asazisa cultura moderna a ciracilor si a micutei frante musulmane au dat apa la moara milionarului jegos michael moore!
Daca vrei o discutie despre ADEVAR o pot face!
Ozzy, adevarul e unic! Nu exista nimic intre si nici la mijloc!
Restul e gunoi adica minciuna! Vrei in carul tau minciuna? O ai!
Asta nu-ti va arata adevarul si nici corectitudinea politicului!
Sunt sarcastic despre franta asta nu inseamna ca o urasc! O boicotez ceea ce e cu totul altceva!
S-auzim numai de bine!
"K".
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9 voturi Vadim si unul Becali - de mya la: 27/11/2004 22:46:29
(la: Alegeri 2004 (destinat romanilor din strainatate))
9 voturi Vadim si unul Becali????!!!! Tare ca fularul! Si va mai mirati ca merge prost tarisoara, patria muma...
Business plan - de Horia D la: 18/01/2005 22:07:50
(la: Cum se intocmeste un plan de afaceri?)
Uite planul folosit de mine. daca vrei amanunte, da-mi adresa de e-mail.


I. Executive Summary
A. One sentence explanation of the enterprise
B. Define the market opportunity
C. Simple definition of the product or service
D. Identify and briefly qualify the CEO/management team
E. Financial summary
F. Revenue, Gross Margin, SO&A, EBIT, EBT
G. Sources and Uses of financing

II. Market Summary
A. Define the overall market and your segment
B. History and development of the market
C. Size -- total market and your segment
D. Growth rates -- historical and projected
E. Customers -- definition and target
1. Explanation of purchase decision
2. Segmentation
3. Price assumptions
4. Value Analysis
a) Break Even
b) Value Proposition
F. Competition -- identify the top five or ten competitors
1. Size/relative position
2. Management and ownership
3. Market share overall and by segment
4. Strengths and weaknesses
5. Overall competitive threat
G. Trends -- what is occurring in the industry today
H. Needs -- what needs to occur in the industry

III. Marketing and Distribution
A. Marketing strategy -- define the company's marketing objectives and execution plans
B. Channels -- define the company's distribution system
1. What are its strengths and weaknesses
2. Who else competes in the company's channels
C. Pricing -- define the company's pricing policies
D. Promotion -- how will the company communicate and promote itself and its products
E. Geographic penetration -- where will the company focus its efforts
F. Service and Support -- to what extent and how will it be delivered
G. Priorities -- how does the company choose its marketing priorities
H. Sales
1. How is the company's sales effort structured
2. Direct sales force
3. Outside sales representatives
4. Direct marketing
5. House accounts
6. How does the company source prospects and identify decision makers
7. How does the company set its sales priorities and sales budgets
8. What are the company's sales efficiencies and conversion rates
9. What is the company's sales incentive and/or commission structure
I. Identify the company's top ten customers along with $ sales and % of sales

IV. Company History and Operations
A. Definition of the business in which the company operates
B. Founding
C. Development of the business over time
D. The company today -- its distinctive competence
E. Product/Service offerings
F. Competitive advantages and disadvantages

V. Management
A. CEO's background and qualifications
B. Other management team's background and qualifications
C. Planned additional management including job descriptions and qualifications
D. Organization Chart
E. Board of Directors
F. Management compensation and incentives
G. Employee career paths
H. Ownership chart -- now and post financing "Reserved for future issuance"

VI. Production/Operations
A. How product/service is produced
B. Production advantages/disadvantages vs. competition
C. Standard costs at present and future volume levels
D. Opportunities for improvement
E. Present capacity and future expansion plans

VII. Growth Opportunities
A. Define the company's growth options
B. New product development
C. Expanding existing product/service sales
D. Acquisitions
E. Geographic expansion
F. How will the company set its growth priorities

VIII. Capital Needs and Liquidity
A. What are the company's capital funding needs over the next two years
B. How will the funds be used
C. How does the company plan to raise debt and equity capital
D. Structure of offer to investors
E. What are the company's options for providing investors with liquidity
F. What value is expected to be created at the end of each of the next five years

IX. Financial Information
A. Historical Financial Statements
1. Last year's audited statement
2. Summary of previous years
3. Most recent internal statement
B. Current year Budget
C. Projected Financial Statements
1. Monthly income statement, balance sheet and cash flow in first year
2. Annual income statements, balance sheets and cash flow for five years
D. Financial Covenants for five years with assumptions if leveraged
E. If unprofitable, clearly define the breakeven point and when it will occur

X. Appendix
A. Marketing brochures and other product/service information
B. Third party market studies
C. Trade journal articles on the company, the industry and competitors
D. Supplementary financial information
E. Supplementary legal information
F. References


The things that come to those who wait are what's left behind by those
who got there first.
10 din 9 artisti nu traiesc d - de mya la: 18/02/2005 06:27:12
(la: Spuneti-va povestea!)
10 din 9 artisti nu traiesc din arta lor. Mi se pare sugestiv procentul d'aia sunt retinuta. Mai ales ca eu cunosc cativa foarte talentati (muzicieni etc. nu doar pictori) care fac job-uri de doi lei si se pierd. E asa de ca lumea muzica lor ca nu merge la masele de handicapati.

E suficient sa dau un mic exemplu: daca fac o rochie din "lameu" cu vedere la buric se vinde ca painea calda chiar si la balenoptere. Daca fac una foarte simpla si eleganta...n-o ia nimeni.

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bucla de 9 - de Cristall la: 23/02/2005 23:51:26
(la: Sa lupti pentru iubire. Pana cand?)
O noua bucla. Mai carliontata, e de 9 :)
si iata, in asta seara facuram schimb de 9 mesaje, imparitate de numere si pareri:)
sa-ti fie ziua buna si dumitale
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de pe 9, adio fasole... si ai - de Horia D la: 06/03/2005 02:07:29
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "2")
de pe 9, adio fasole... si aia nici nu-i buna, te face sa ai vanturi:)
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francmasoneria este o realitate - de spirit_intelept la: 13/05/2005 04:26:55
(la: Gregorian Bivolaru - MISA, guru şi servicii secrete)
si la fel sunt si actiunile ei malefice.
Este usor sa spui "site de scandal", "microbul conspiratiei/paranoia", etc. Este o metoda infailibila sa denigrezi ceva. Doar zici "e un site de scandal" si imediat cei care te asculta se linistesc "intelegand" ca acolo sunt doar fanteziile unor paranoici. Te-am intrebat si in reply-ul trecut care sunt acele articole sau pasaje de pe ( http://www.dezvaluiri.as.ro/ ) care ti se par de scandal sau atinse de paranoia, dar nu ai binevoit sa-mi dai nici un exemplu. In speranta ca totusi o sa avem o discutie mai concreta, am cautat si alte surse de informare fiindca un rationament simplu spune ca daca sunt mai multe persoane, diferite ca nivel de pregatire, convingeri, religie, etc si toate cred acelasi lucru, atunci e foarte posibil ca acel lucru sa fie cel putin partial adevarat. Spre bucuria mea nu a trebuit sa caut mult si am gasit un site crestin ortodox "Asociatia Pentru Isihasm - API" ( http://www.rugulaprins.go.ro ), care evident nu are nici o legatura cu MISA, si acolo am citit mai multe lucruri foarte interesante. Iti recomand aceasta pagina:

http://www.rugulaprins.go.ro/badulescu.htm

Din start vezi anumite afirmatii facute chiar de francmasoni, si mai precis chiar de fostul lor lider roman, Dan Amadeo Lazarescu: “Parlamentul României are 90% din membri masoni”( cel care a spus si celebrele cuvinte "Secolul XXI va ori crestin si francmason, ori nu va mai fi deloc")
Pe la mijlocul paginii ai sa gasesti o lista de francmasoni celebri, presedinti de state, oameni politici, magnati, etc, dupa care apare un aspect interesant, si anume o lista de papi care au condamnat francmasoneria, considerand-o ca fiind ceva profund negativ si antiuman: Clement al XII-lea, Benedict al XIV-lea, Pius al VII-lea, Leon al XII-lea, Pius al VIII-lea, Grigore al XVI-lea, Pius al IX-lea, Leon al XIII-lea. Personal am ramas uimit cand am citit aceasta lista, impreuna cu documentele emise de acestia. Se mai adauga si din credinta ortodoxa mai multi arhiepiscopi, preoti, Biserica Greciei, Biserica Ortodoxa Romana, Biserica Ciprului, etc. In final apare o lista de 44 de lucrari bibliografice.
Sunt curios daca pentru tine toti acestia sunt si ei la randul lor paranoici.
Evident ca se mai poate continua cu pozitii luate de oameni de stiinta, savanti, politicieni impotriva francmasoneriei, dar nu cred ca are rost sa ii enumar si pe acestia pana cand nu vad ca iesi macar putin din felul superficial in care privesti acum problema.

In legatura cu modelul socio-politic pe care l-as propune, aici lucrurile sunt mai complexe. Democratia are radacini adanci in istorie, inca de la greci si a fost reactualizata de acel "Liberte, egalite, fraternite" al Revolutiei Franceze care i-a avut in frunte pe francmasoni. Democratia poate fi ceva minunat, cu care as fi de acord daca se respecta anumite conditii:
- Daca analizezi bine si socialismul vrea sa dea sanse egale la toti. Legal este ceva profund uman si tine de drepturile elementare ale omului. Problema este ca nu toti sunt pregatiti sa actioneze responsabil conform libertatii pe care o au. Un exemplu simplu, gandeste-te ca dupa revolutia noastra, si pe urma si in continuare, marea masa a taranilor a votat cu PSD-ul, sub toate formele lui. Conform democratiei, le respectam alegerea, chiar daca nu ni se pare cea mai buna. Vedem insa clar ca democratia impune si o anumita educatie democratica, ce trebuie facuta la un mod foarte serios.
- In aceasi ordine de idei, democratia poate functiona doar intr-un stat in care mijloacele de informare sunt libere, independente si apolitice. Daca in schimb, marea majoritate a acestor mijloace de informare sunt concentrate in mainile unei "elite" care este pe deasupra si implicata in politica (vezi PUR, Voiculescu si Antena 1), atunci deja democratia nu mai functioneaza asa cum trebuie. Iti pot enumera foarte multe exemple de la noi din tara, dovedite cu sondaje sociologice, in care actiunea concertata a mass-mediei a facut ca opiniile populatiei sa se schimbe in mod semnificativ in interval de zile. Chiar in SUA, filmul "Fahrenheit 9/11" care face niste dezvaluiri uimitoare despre Bush, a fost interzis in anumite retele de cinematografe, si ghici cui apartineau aceste retele? Evident, apropiatilor lui Bush.
De fapt, daca ai sa depui putin efort si atentie si ai sa citesti Protocoalele masonilor, ai sa vezi ca inca de mult acestia s-au straduit sa puna mana pe mijloacele de informare pentru ca prin ele sa conduca opinia publica. Nu degeaba mass-media este numita "a 4-a putere in stat", si nu degeaba cineva afirma ca niciodata un politician nu a castigat vre-un razboi cu presa. Normal ca nu toti ziaristii sunt corupti si nu toti actioneaza la comanda, dar marea lor majoritate o fac. De acest adevar ne-am dat seama pe propria piele cand a fost declansat scandalul MISA. Toata presa si televiziunea au sarit sa ne acuze de delicte grave, gen "trafic de droguri si de arme" sau "sechestrare de persoane" in cadrul celei mai ample actiuni ale politiei romane de la Revolutie incoace. Dupa un an de la acesta actiune imensa concertata impotriva noastra, nu a mai ramas nimic din aceste acuzatii, doar o imagine patata care ii face pe oameni sa ii asocieze pe yoghini cu niste obsedati sexuali, inadaptati social si cu creierele spalate.
Ar mai fi multe de spus in privinta democratiei si a defectelor ei, de exemplu cum se face ca desi ne alegem singuri conducatorii, toata lumea e de acord ca marea majoritate a clasei politice e formata din profitori, oameni fara moralitate sau coloana vertebrala? Daca te gandesti putin acesta ar trebui sa fie un paradox, fiindca inseamna ca suntem masochisti si alegem sa ne facem singuri rau.
Ca mai intrebat de alternative, as recomanda pentru inceput trei aspecte simple:
- legea sa fie intr-adevar lege pentru toata lumea
- sa fie publice sursele de finantare si activitatile politice ale celor implicati in conducerea mass-media
- societatea civila sa isi faca intr-adevar datoria, prin diverse ONG-uri care sa fie libere si independente
Dupa cum vezi in final, toate acestea tin in primul rand de vointa si educatia noastra, fiindca daca noi o sa fim fermi in a nu mai tolera abuzurile si nedreptatile care se fac, neluand parte la ele si dandu-le in vileag, acestea isi vor pierde din puterea lor subterana si vor fi chiar foarte mult reduse.

PS: Iti multumesc pentru lectia despre ce inseamna paranoia in viata politica :). Daca vrei, iti recomand si eu o carte, "Acei bolnavi care conduc lumea", in care pe langa exemplele de dictatori ai sa vezi chiar personalitati benefice care au fost influentate in deciziile lor de maladiile care sufereau.

Spirit Intelept
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