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Where were all these Q & A's when we were pregnant? - de SB_one la: 17/07/2004 22:54:43
(la: Femeia)

PREGNANCY Q & A & more!

Q: Should I have a baby after 35?
A: No, 35 children is enough.

Q: I'm two months pregnant now. When will my baby move?
A: With any luck, right after he finishes college.

Q: What is the most reliable method to determine a baby's sex?
A: Childbirth.

Q: My wife is five months pregnant and so moody that sometimes
she's borderline irrational.
A: So what's your question?

Q: My childbirth instructor says it's not pain I'll feel
during labor,but pressure. Is she right?
A: Yes, in the same way that a tornado might be called an air
current.

Q: When is the best time to get an epidural?
A: Right after you find out you're pregnant.

Q: Is there any reason I have to be in the delivery room while
my wife is in labor?
A: Not unless the word "alimony" means anything to you.

Q: Is there anything I should avoid while recovering from
childbirth?
A: Yes, pregnancy.

Q: Do I have to have a baby shower?
A: Not if you change the baby's diaper very quickly.

Q: Our baby was born last week. When will my wife begin to
feel and act normal again?
A: When the kids are in college.


SB
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it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice !
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q.e.d. "Saraci cei saraci - de duduia_olguta la: 26/01/2005 20:20:26
(la: Ce regretati de pe vremea lui Ceausescu?)
q.e.d.

"Saraci cei saraci cu duhul......"
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Q.E.D. - de donquijote la: 13/02/2005 19:36:21
(la: De ce traiesc femeile mai mult decit barbatii)
Q.E.D. ce?

apropo, folosind pilda cu capul si gatul cum explicam functionarea in cazurile particulare si nu foarte rare de gat cu mai multe capete sau cap cu mai multe gaturi?
:)
Q.E.D. - de Intruder la: 26/03/2005 13:32:07
(la: Ce a fost mai intâi,)
este o intrebare profund retorica...am invatat la scoala ca pasarile
au evoluat din pesti...deci, cu milioane de ani in urma un peste-pasare
(adica nici cal, nici magar) a facut pasul cel mare si a depus oua in nisip...Q.E.D...asa-i?
de la acea pasare si pana la gaina...urmarea in numarul viitor...numai
sa gasim scenaristul :)))
Don Q - exemplu clasic de tar - de RSI la: 29/10/2005 21:54:34
(la: ANTITERORISMUL)
Don Q - exemplu clasic de tara bogata fara resurse naturale : Japonia. Alt exemplu : Olanda.
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"- Dubito ergo cogito"
"- Cogito ergo sum"

Descartes
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Q.E.D.======================= - de RSI la: 24/11/2005 18:48:15
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
Q.E.D.
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"o idee incepe prin a fi un paradox, continua prin a fi o banalitate si sfarseste prin a fi o prejudecata"
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Q & A - de Pasagerul la: 10/12/2005 09:23:08
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "7")
Q: What's the difference between a gynecologist and a genealogist?
> > A: A genealogist looks up the family tree,
> > and a gynecologist looks up the family bush.
> >
> >
> > Q: What do Disney World and VIAGRA have in common?
> > A: They both make you wait an hour for a two minute ride.
> >
> > Q: What's the difference between a pick pocket and a peeping Tom?
> > A: A pick pocket snatches watches.
> >
> > Q: How can you spot the blind guy at the nudist colony?
> > A: It's not hard.
> >
> > Q: Which 3rd grader has the best body, the blonde, ! brunette or a >
>redhead?
> > A: The blonde -- she's eighteen.
> >
> > Q: Why don't Baptists make love standing up?
> > A: Because it might lead to dancing.
> >
> > Q: What is the difference between women and computers?
> > A: A woman will not take a 3.50 inch floppy.
> >
> >
> > Q: Why are New Yorkers always depressed?
> > A: The light at the end of their tunnel is New Jersey.

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All you need is ignorance and confidence and the success is sure.
Mark Twain
Q. How does Michael Jackson - de Yuki la: 03/01/2007 23:05:03
(la: PALAVRE DE CAFENEA (Trancaneala- editie speciala))

Q. How does Michael Jackson pick his nose?
A. From a catalogue.


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i've often seen a cat without a grin, but a grin without a cat it's the most curious thing i ever saw in all my life!

om, dau o bere pt. spatiul tau de semnatura :D
Iapa lui D.Q. ....:) - de (anonim) la: 07/10/2003 20:15:04
(la: Iapa lui don Quixote)
Sinteti siguri ca era o iapa adevarata si nu una tansexuala ?
Daca ,da, la varianta din urma, atunci murim la mina papadiei :):):):):)
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Despre Dr. Vasile Andrei-pentru JCC - de RSI la: 05/11/2003 04:41:49
(la: Evreii si o manie curioasa..)
Urmatorul text este scris de Dr. Vasile Andrei ca raspuns la o acuzatie din cartea preotului Palaghita despre legiune, in care se afirma ca el ar fi avut un rol in executia rectorului Universitatii din Cluj, prof. Stefanescu Goanga:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:9lSGfSyT_x8J:www.miscarea-legionara.org/atitudini/palaghita.htm+%22Vasile+Andrei%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

PRECIZĂRI

In cartea sa, Garda de Fier, pagina 102, privind atentatul asupra rectorului Stefănescu-Goangă, părintele Palaghită pretinde că stie următoarele: Dr. Vasile Andrei, cel ce transmisese ordinul de executare al lui Stefănescu-Goangă, ar fi declarat odată la marginea unui pat de moarte! mai multor legionari prezenti:

"Imi simt constiinta încărcată că am contribuit si eu în parte la asasinarea Căpitanului prin faptul că am executat ordinul lui Sima de a săvârsi atentatul împotriva lui Stefănescu-Goangă. La două zile după atentat s-a primit un alt ordin de la Sima în care revenea asupra primului său ordin."

Am fost printre cei ce se aflau în centrul evenimentelor consumate în toamna anului 1938 în Cluj. Doresc să las deci celor ce vor scrie odată istoria greu încercatei dar martirei - noastre Miscări Legionare, o mărturisire reală a evenimentelor de atunci. Această precizare a fost impusă si prin nerusinarea câtorva intrusi în rândurile noastre, intrusii care speculând naivitatea unor camarazi mai tineri caută să-si clădească astăzi - pe lasitatea lor proprie de atunci si pe jertfa neprecupetită a atâtor dragi camarazi -monumente de eroică cumintenie si un mare orizont politic.

Afirmatiile acestui "preot ortodox" sunt si inventate si tendentioase. Declar deci:

1) Nu am făcut niciodată pretinsa mărturisire la marginea unui pat de moarte.

2) Nu am primit si nu am transmis nici un ordin privind executarea rectorului Stefănescu-Goangă, eu fiind arestat încă din ziua de 17 noiembrie 1938 si detinut la închisoarea militară din Cluj.

3) De cele ce aveau să se întâmple pe ziua de 27 noiembrie 1938 am fost instiintat cu o zi înainte la vorbitor de camaradul Aurel Lăscăianu, unul dintre cei doi studenti care urmau să pedepsească a doua zi pe Stefănescu-Goangă. Singurul din cei 75 de camarazi cu care împărteam celula închisorii, doctorului Victor Apostolescu i-am povestit cele ce aveau să se întâmple afară. Au urmat cele cunoscute.

4) Peste o săptămână este adus în celula noastră prof. Gheorghe Veres care mi-a afirmat că doctorul Vucu, trimis special din Bucuresti cu ordinul ca executarea lui Stefănescu-Goangă să nu aibă loc, ar fi ajuns prea târziu la Cluj.

5) Studentul în filozofie Ion Pop, principalul factor al actiunii de pedepsire a lui Stefănescu-Goangă, mi-a mărturisit în decursul lunilor petrecute împreună în celula sa, de condamnat la moarte următoarele:

Pe Stefănescu-Goangă era hotărât să-l pedepsească cu mult înainte si că actiunea lui a coincis numai cu dorinta de pedepsire hotărâtă de superiorii săi si că această dorintă proprie nu a fost nici influentată si nici determinată de acest ordin. El ar fi făcut această datorie către sufletul tineretului ardelean si într-un fel si în altul. Ambii fii de tărani modesti, dar mândri, crescuti la poalele istoricului munte Bobâlna, judetul Somes, nu si-au închipuit niciodată să vadă în fruntea celei mai sfinte institutii nationale, de formare a spiritualitătii tineretului român, o imoralitate si o rusine natională, acela care era Stefănescu-Goangă. De aici hotărârea de a-l elimina.

"Noi, ardelenii - spunea Ion Pop... Am rezistat 1000 de ani robiei maghiare pentru că sufletul ne-a fost atât de curat, cugetul nostru atât de nepătat si credinta în valorile morale ale neamului atât de nezdruncinată. Astfel că tolerarea lui Stefănescu-Goangă, această concretizare a celei mai triviale imoralităti de atunci cultivată, neatinsă, inamovibilă, însemna o renuntare si o uitare a curăteniei celor peste 1000 de ani de nădejdi si chin".

6) Tin să amintesc mai departe că eliminarea lui Stefănescu-Goangă din fruntea Universitătii din Cluj a fost un imperativ pentru studentimea clujeană care a preocupat cugetele si constiinta tineretului universitar în tot decursul anilor 1930-1938 si că problema rezolvării lui s-a pus în diferite momente, încă cu mult înainte de 27 noiembrie 1938.

Vasile Andrei

Din examinarea acestui document rezultă următoarele constatări:
1-metoda "democratica" ale legionarilor de a combate adversarii-asasinatul;
2-Vaslie Andrei a stiut cu 24 de ore inainte de planul de asasinare a profesorului Stefanesu Goanga si nu a facut nimic sa opreasca executia;
3-justifica executarea profesorului Stefanescu Goanga
Consider acest material foarte ilustrativ privind activitatile miscarii legionare si nu mai adaug nici un comentariu. Q.E.D.

Bravo, Radu ! - de gd525 la: 18/12/2003 22:50:51
(la: Romani in strainatate)
Din toate comentariile de pe forum, pari cam singurul care a invatat sa respecte tara in care i s-a facut un loc.
Si dupa cum se afla din povestea ta, respectul e reciproc.
Q.E.D. !!!
Spre deosebire de ceilalti care se cred din start mai frumosi si mai destepti, ca si cum li s-ar cuveni vreo inalta pozitie si recunoastere pentru simplul motiv ca sint romani (si romanii sint f. destepti, cistiga olimpiade, etc...). Nici o deosebire intre genul asta de pozitie si arabii din Occident care cred ca Allah e mai bun decit D-zeu si ei sint mai presus decit ceilalti - fara nici un argument, altul decit simpla convingere colectiva.
Ura rasiala pe care o citesti in ochii lor te face sa ii eviti, si atunci striga ca esti rasist, se simt dati la o parte.
Aidoma unui roman care dupa 10 ani tot n-ar fi reusit sa-i convinga pe nemti de valoarea lui Eminescu sau superioritatea vinurilor romanesti...
Cred ca este de ajuns sa nu vrei sa colonizezi locul in care debarci, pentru ca lumea de acolo sa-ti dea pozitia cuvenita in functie de CALITATEA UMANA SI PROFESIONALA, iar nu din cauza unei apartenente la o cultura sau neam ...
In exemplul de mai sus, cind romanul emigrant in Germania va fi inteles ca diferenta dintre el si Columb este ca nemtii sint deja acolo, cred ca toate problemele care fac obiectul prezentului forum vor fi rezolvate (respectiv, nu se vor mai pune ! ).
Inca o data, bravo pentru pozitia ta clara, si eu am adoptat aceeasi directie si cu acelasi rezultat, n-am avut decit de cistigat...
De ce oare vorbesc forumistii despre RO in termeni de cultura si istorie, iar despre tarile de adoptie numai din punct de vedere economic ? Pentru ca nu-i intereseaza decit asta ! Li se pare lor mai constructiv sa-i invete pe francezi cine a fost Stefan cel Mare, decit sa afle de la ei cine a fost Georges Pompidou ...
Iar rezultatul, dupa cum reiese din comentarii, este o interminabila si apasatoare amaraciune, singuratate, nostalgie, dezgust.
Cine seamana scaieti, n-astepte sa manince mere, zicea Pacala.
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Acum pe Google il gasesc ca " - de Daniel Racovitan la: 03/01/2004 05:25:20
(la: www.romanialibera.com=Stefan Niculescu-Maier)
Acum pe Google il gasesc ca "www.romanialibera.com=Stefan Niculescu-Maier - Luneta" :)))

http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Stefan+Niculescu-Maier&btnG=Recherche+Google
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munca in strainatate - de Catalina Bader la: 21/01/2004 04:19:42
(la: Romania e in rahat pan' la gat. Solutia?)
Legalitate si bani multi

Anul trecut, peste 46.000 de romani au plecat la munca in strainatate prin Oficiul pentru Migratia Fortei de Munca (OMFM) si prin Patronatul ACORD. Alte zeci de mii de persoane au plecat pe cont propriu. Salariile pe care romanii le castiga in strainatate sunt mult mai mari decat cele pe care le-ar primi in tara. Numai cei care au plecat prin intermediul OMFM au castigat, in total, in 2003, aproximativ 101 milioane de euro. Banii, care in majoritate se intorc in tara, au doua tinte: familia si diverse investitii. Lipsa locurilor de munca din tara si salariile mici i-au determinat pe zeci de mii de romani sa isi caute norocul in strainatate. Daca la inceputul anilor ‘90 oamenii plecau “la risc”, ajutati de cunostinte sau in baza unor promisiuni, aparitia firmelor care intermediaza gasirea unui loc de munca in straina tate a modificat piata. Roma nii, care isi gasesc un job in strainatate prin Oficiul pentru Migratia Fortei de Munca sau prin firmele private, au asigurari medicale, contracte si venituri sigure. Diferenta dintre salariile primite in tara si cele din strainatate este foarte mare. Astfel, in tara, salariul mediu lunar este de aproximativ 5 milioane de lei, echivalentul a 120 de euro, in timp ce in strainatate, salariul mediu pe care il primeste un roman este de aproape 1.000 de euro.

Germania si Spania sunt in top

Ofertele de locuri de munca in strainatate sunt foarte variate, in functie de firma care intermediaza plecarea. Oficiul pentru Migratia Fortei de Munca, institutie aflata in subordinea Ministerului Muncii, Solidaritatii Sociale si Familiei, a intermediat anul trecut locuri de munca atat in industrie, agricultura, gastronomie, cat si in domeniile hotelier, sanitar si construct ii de masini. Germ a n i a , S p a n i a , Elvetia, I t a l i a , Q a t a r , Ungaria si SUA sunt tarile in care au plecat roma nii anul trecut prin OMFM. Suma totala pe care au castigat-o in 2003 cei peste 40.000 de romani care au plecat prin Oficiu este de 101 milioane de euro. La preselectiile organizate de OMFM, romanii care isi doresc sa plece la munca in strainatate formeaza cozi uriase, ajungand uneori sa doarma in strada, doar pentru a nu pierde randul. Pentru 2004, in perioada 27-30 ianuarie, OMFM organizeaza preselectie pentru locuri de munca in agricultura spaniola. Potrivit ofertei angajatorilor iberici, vor fi selectate 600 de persoane.

Peste 6.000 de medieri ale ACORD

“Lucram cu persoane calificate, cu oameni pentru care putem negocia salarii bune”, sustine Roxana Prodan, presedintele Patronatului Agentilor Economici Acreditati p e n t r u Ocuparea si Plasarea Fortei de M u n c a (ACORD). Anul trecut, prin Patronat au plecat la munca in strainatate peste 6.000 de persoane.

Cu sau fara comision

Oficiul pentru Migratia Fortei de Munca nu percepe nici un comision pentru inscrierea in baza de date sau pentru medierea unui loc de munca in strainatate. Comisionul perceput de firmele care fac parte din Patronatul ACORD pentru inscrierea in baza de date este de aproximativ 600.000 de lei. “Dupa ce este platita taxa pentru procesarea datelor, omul nu mai trebuie sa dea nici un ban pana nu este semnat contractul, adica pana nu ii gasim un loc de munca. Noi ne ocupam de traduceri si de legalizarea actelor, iar comisionul platit de roman in momentul in care pleaca este de 300-400 de euro, in functie de fiecare tara si domeniul in care urmeaza sa munceasca”, spune Roxana Prodan. Cel mai greu de obtinut este primul contract. Dupa aceea este mult mai usor. Perioada pentru care sunt semnate contractele variaza in functie de tara, de domeniul si de firma care intermediaza. Perioada minima este de trei luni, iar cea maxima este de doi sau trei ani.

Venituri inzecite fata de cele din tara

Salariile romanilor care pleaca in strainatate sunt, in medie, de 1.000 de euro. Acestea depind insa de domeniul si tara in care lucreaza fiecare. Cele mai mici salarii sunt cele pentru muncile necalificate in agricultura si in industrie, adica in jur de 1.000 de euro lunar. Persoanele calificate, care lucreaza in domeniul sanitar, petrolier sau industrie, pot castiga lunar sume de pana la 3.500 de dolari. Saptamana aceasta, peste 5.000 de persoane s-au adunat in fata Oficiului pentru Migratia Fortei de Munca pentru a se inregistra in baza de date a institutiei. Chiar daca miercuri OMFM trebuia sa inregistreze doar femei care doreau un loc de munca la cules de capsuni, la preselectie s-au prezentat femei si barbati care indeplineau doar partial cerintele.

Conditii de munca si cheltuieli

Conditiile de munca si de cazare difera in functie de domeniu si de tara. Daca unii sunt multumiti de ceea ce gasesc in tara in care urmeaza sa lucreze, unii dintre capsunari, dezamagiti de Spania, spuneau ca locuiau in baraci din tabla .n care ploaia intra prin zeci de gauri, cu gratii la usi si la ferestre. In Spania, romanii cheltuiesc lunar, in medie, 50 de euro pe mancare si telefoane. Costurile cazarii sunt fie suportate de firmele straine, fie sunt platite de catre lucratori. Daca romanii nu isi respecta obligatiile contractuale, angajatorii au dreptul sa ceara incetarea contractului; daca nu se intorc in Romania dupa incetarea contractului, lucratorii primesc interdictie intre un an si cinci ani pentru spatiul Schengen.

Documente obligatorii

Acte necesare pentru inscrierea in baza de date a OMFM si a Patronatului ACORD:
- copie legalizata dupa cartea de munca si/sau contractul de munca in original si copia acestuia;
- copie legalizata dupa certificatul de calificare profesionala;
- copie dupa buletinul sau cartea de identitate
(cu o valabilitate de cel putin 6 luni);
- copie dupa pasaport (cu o valabilitate de cel putin 6 luni);
- adeverinta de la medicul de familie care atesta ca cel in cauza este apt de munca din punct de vedere medical;
- cazier judiciar valabil;
- curriculum vitae;
- fotografii tip pasaport;
pentru inscrierea in baza de date a Oficiului pentru Migratia Fortei de Munca mai este nevoie de recomandare de la ultimul loc de munca si fisa individuala (dupa modelul aflat la Oficiu).
matei bumbutz - de Qbelle la: 31/03/2004 06:58:36
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
am vazut si eu galeria, se cunoaste ca a pus trup si suflet in multe din fotografiile acelea. Desi nu sunt un fan Bumbutz neaparat (nu ca as fi in masura sa-mi dau cu parerea mai mult decat ca si simplu privitor), trebuie sa spun ca am fost impresionata. Si simteam nevoia s-o fac si public.
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oare? - de Qbelle la: 31/03/2004 07:35:58
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
ma intreb si eu (cu totul nevinovat) daca acest site este construit in jurul unor 'prietenii' si simpatii (uneori fara legatura cu fotografia), este declarat ca privat si are reguli proprii (ceea ce nu este nici rau, nici interzis) care este motivatia pentru care el este totusi falfait privitorilor ca fiind un site destinat publicului, in care oricine poate sa aplice si sa fie acceptat pe baza unor reguli/regulament?!
Ca mai apoi, verdictul sa vina : 'nu ne-ati convins'...pe baza unor criterii care nu sunt explicate (sau probabil prea putin intelese de catre cei care se inscriu cu buna credinta). Este oare asta 'mai civilizat' decat ce se intampla pe badorgood (care nu cred ca este un reper negativ)...?

Nu vorbesc ca cineva care isi doreste sa fie acolo. Am si eu curiozitati de 'public larg'. Si probabil sunt in asentimentul multora care au incercat sa se inscrie si privesc 'verdictul' ca pe ceva demotivant la adresa efortului lor, uneori deloc de neglijat.

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oare? - de Qbelle la: 31/03/2004 09:05:16
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
intrebarea este retorica - mie lucrurile imi par clare. Comentariul meu se vrea mai degraba o remarca decat o intrebare. Comentariul facandu-se cu referire la faptul ca incercam uneori sa combatem ceva ce nu ne place exact cu metodele impotriva carora ne razvratim.
Era asadar un 'punct' de vedere, cu privire la 'romanismul la romani' care sper ca imi este ingaduit. Si care, evident, poate fi combatut, daca el este privit ca fiind incorect formulat sau argumentat.

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q sau g? - de anugnah la: 06/04/2004 13:04:06
(la: Ce se intampla cu romanii, cu voi?)
Stau si ma gindesc oare care este parerea ta, de fapt. Care sunt motivele pentru care ai aruncat piatra in balta...Chiar nu e nimic de facut prin Baicoi? Sau chiar ai impresia ca citindu-i pe Cioran si Nietzsche ai pus vulturul pe blazon? Chiar te consideri atit de superior ca te-ai decis sa-ti completezi personalitatea subscriind la stie-ul asta. Nu stiu de ce am impresia despre tine ca esti precum moldoveanu' ala din banc: "geaci di' piele am, olecutza di bataie stiu"...acu' tre' sa ma conving ca sunt inteligent. Imi cer iertare pentru ce tocmai am scris, nu este intentzia mea sa te jignesc, dar sunt 50% sanse sa am dreptate... Sunt mai multe lucruri pe care nu le inteleg la tine, n-am sa le enumar acum, dar nici nu vreau sa fac greseala de a-ti separa persoana de pareri, sunt un tot omogen, inseparabil. Nu sunt de acord cu punctul tau de vedere, lucrurile nu se pot schimba peste noapte, chiar daca avem impresia asta. POATE generatia ta si cele ce vor urma vor reusi sa schimbe ceva dar pentru asta e nevoie de mult mai mult decit sa-ti pui opiniile pe un site. Intreaba-ti parintii de cite ori au dat shpaga la garda financiara, politia economica, primarie, etc garantat s-a intimplat de multe ori; gindeste-te acum, cum ar fi fara banii parintilor, imagineaza-ti ca acum trebuie sa te intretii singur si sa-ti ajuti si parintii din bruma aia de bani pe care-i cistigi fiindca te-ai lasat de scoala. Imagineaza-ti mai departe ca esti oripilat de realitatile care te inconjoara, vrei sa schimbi ceva in jurul tau si nu stii de unde sa incepi, pentru ca esti prea obosit dupa o zi de munca, pentru ca esti prea obosit dupa o zi de rugaciuni pentru o viata mai buna, pentru ca esti terminat inca de la inceput. Din pacate asta este conditia multora din Romania si chiar daca n-ar fi asa, simptomele sunt tot astea. Sentimentul de inutilitate vine dupa mai multe incercari nereusite, si crede-ma mamico, alt dar mai frumos nici ca se putea...
Revenind la stereotipie sa stii ca n-o sa reusesti s-o elimini, poate doar s-o intaresti.Am o gramada de prieteni "baietzi de bani gata" si sa stii ca nici unul dintre ei nu se chinuie sa elimine stereotipuri. Au dovedit deja ca sunt in stare sa faca ceva (marea majoritate...) altfel: la scoala, la munca...Daca n-ai fi spus ca ai 18 ani nu cred ca s-ar fi gasit cineva sa intrebe. Iar aia cu fii de boieri nu se aplica deloc bogatilor de acum, rari sunt cei care pot fi denumiti boieri astazi in sensul de atunci. Nu-ti renega radacinile refuzind ceea ce-ti ofera parintii, sunt destul de mari sansele ca intr-o zi vei mosteni totul si vei sfirsi prin a da shpaga, fenta legea, incercind sa conservi un stil de viata care atunci iti va parea de neinlocuit. Si atunci vei sfirsi prin a-ti nega opiniile. Nu stiu in ce masura am reusit sa fiu coerent, sa-mi exprim parerea unitar, astfel incit sa te determin s-o iei in considerare. Imi doresc din tot sufletul ca tot ce am scris aici sa nu descrie deloc realitatea, dar din pacate cred ca cam asha e...nu mai am virgule. pa
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Problema numarul 1: - de (anonim) la: 14/04/2004 09:58:27
(la: Catedrala Mantuirii Neamului: dezbatere si vot pe internet)
Problema numarul 1:

"biserica se construieste pentru oameni, nu din mandrie sau triumfalism ortodox!"... Asa, zau! Ca bine-ai spus-o aici, domnu' Ionut! Si foooarte corect si "Cu siguranta daca ar exista suficiente biserici in Bucuresti lumea ar fi mai atenta si s-ar gandi mai mult la Dumnezeu si la ajutarea aproapelui." Pana aici sunt de acord.
Dar, in loc sa faca mai mult bisericute mici, raspandite prin tot Bucurestiul sa ajunga cu usurinta in casa Domnului si babutza de la mine de la parter, care abia se misca saraca, nooo... facem una singura... dar mare... sa se vada de departe. Alo! Sfinte Petre! Se vede si de acolo? Ca de pe luna se va vedea sigur... surioara mai mica si mai pioasa a Casei (mantuirii) Poporului. Scuzati! Parlamentului. Palatul.

Problema numarul 2:

"...exista preoti care se jertfesc slujind prin amfiteatre, sali de clasa si camere improvizate in spitale si institutii de ajutor social? Stiu acesti oameni ca preotii au salarii de aproximativ 2 milioane de lei - bani in mana - si ca multi dintre ei sunt efectiv intretinuti de comunitatile unde isi desfasoara activitatea. Si, in plus, este dreptul preotului, ca slujitor, sa fie intretinut de comunitate pentru ca el sa-si desfasoare in bune conditii activitatea slujitoare si sa fie tot timpul la dispozitia credinciosilor."
Ehehei... de cand amfiteatrul si salile de clasa au devenit lazarete? Preotii, stimate domn, nu se jertfesc ci-si implinesc menirea si harul care i-a indemnat in alegerea acestei profesii. Asa ca nu-i jertfa... este datorie. In plus, nu vad ce legatura are asta cu megalomanica mantuire. BOR n-are bani sa-si plateasca lefegii? Da parale pentru Catedrala are? Hm!

Gabriela Q
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concis - de Qbelle la: 13/05/2004 09:51:00
(la: Cine suntem noi, romanii?)
gasesc cometariul lui alexbrie concis (din cauza ferestrei) si foarte exact. Imi place ca ai pus pe ultimul loc 'speranta'. Inseamna ca mai avem o sansa, si cred si eu asta.

Aud tot mai multi romani care spun ca nu avem viitor, ca suntem lipsiti de vlaga sau interes in a schimba lucrurile. Pe undeva asa este, ne lamentam mult fara sa facem ceva, vorbim mult despre ce ne nemultumeste, fara sa facem nimic. Insa eu cred ca tot ne mai ramane timp sa trecem la fapte... Si eu 'sper' in asta si las SPERANTA pe ultimul loc, pentru ca de acolo incepem sa facem ceva.
Q

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. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

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Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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