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Mea culpa! - de Dinu Lazar la: 14/11/2003 05:51:03
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Pe omu` respectiv il cheama Spencer Tunick. Se gasesc pe web multe poze realizate de el.

Coincidenta este ca domnia sa a fost motivul unui schimb de replici in lista de discutii Fotopro, intre mine si un fotograf american, mai putin prezent pe net - pentru ca uraste computerul - si anume Bruce Esbin.

Intii imi scrie Bruce:


Spencer Tunick, he is the DUDE!!! When someone is able to get 450
naked women to pose for them in Grand Central Station in NYC, then they are the greatest photographer in the world. Until someone is
able to do this on the Moon then his title will remain.


La care eu raspund:

> I am very curious to see what pictures it have made...
> His site is ... I have not words... go here:
> It is an idiot... This pictures are made by a groggy man... I cannot
> believe.

> Best regards,
> Dinu
La care Bruce:

Though I was making a joke about Tunick being the "world's greatest
photographer". All joking aside however I do think he is a great
photographer, and I'll tell you why. Photography as you know is just a
tool that allows people to see many different things in a two
dimensional world, a world that despite being two dimensional still
enables us to experience the image on a high information level.

For me the genius of what Tunick does is showing the Homo-Sapien
species as group of animals without the usual protective barrier of
clothing in different and varied environments. Very interesting
environments at least for me. Buenos Aires, New York City, Antarctica,
Vienna, St. Petersburg, etc. all juxtaposed with a single naked human
form or in huge naked groups. It is strangely interesting because it is
something we would never see otherwise especially the groups. In that
sense it is art because it allows us to see something very unique and
thought provoking on the nature of being human.

Some people could say anyone with a camera could take a picture of a
naked person outdoors, and they would be right, however let them try
and go through the effort to organize the large groups of people and
get the permission of international city governments as Tunick
succeeded in doing. So for me Tunick is far from being an "idiot" or a
"groggy man". For me he is a genuine artist with a nice sense of humor who is exploring the human form in an interesting way through the use of photography.

Replica mea este:

> All that you write here is a good sense and true. Seeing so, it is OK.
> But... the light, the composition, the color, the perspective, the art?
> I need only a idea, only a concept? I do not need any professional sense of the light?
> I believe that you understand me...
> When I see a picture, I give in my mind notes for technique, art (
> composition) and idea.
> 0+0+10/3=3,3...

Si Bruce continua:

Sometimes the technique is secondary to the concept, sometimes the technique is the concept. What I've found refreshing with Tunick's photography is his relative lack of obvious technique, the almost snapshot like quality of his pictures, as if he just showed up accidently with a Ricoh G1 loaded with color negative film and just snapped a shot of this strangeness before him.
This is what gives it power, the utter banality of technique.


Asa ca si intre profesionisti parerile sunt impartite.
Succesul comercial al lui Tunick este insa imens.
Mie personal nu imi place ce face. Asta nu conteaza desigur.

Am vrut sa vedeti insa dincolo de usile inchise cam cum gindesc fotografii...sau unii dintre ei.

Dupa mine, talent este sa iei o cizma si sa o fotografiezi, si sa para mai atragatoare si mai sexy decit o playmate, nu sa umpli o gara cu o suta de femei goale si sa faci glamour.
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sand..., - de juli la: 02/09/2011 21:15:00
(la: Cronicile de la Soare-Rasare)
am sa citesc pe masura ce vei posta... acum mai am de parcurs ceea ce ai scris. Chiar de nu voi lasa semn de trecere pe aici, se vor " "aprinde" stelutele acolo pe blog semn de trecere si citire.

De copt nu ma mai coc... is soi rau. :))
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... Louvre alb si Sena sub ninsoare - de mapopescu la: 05/01/2004 16:38:36
(la: Iarna la Paris (I))
asta mi-a fost dat sa vad anul trecut. eram in Louvre, cu familia, cind a inceput sa ninga cu niste fulgi mari si grasi, asaaaa ... de Craciun ardelenesc. intr-o jumatate de ora cit a durat sa iesim (caci fetita mea inca nu vazuse zapada!) se facuse totul alb afara. Sena sub ninsoare! incredibil :)

dupa o bulgareala buna ne-am adapostit la un traiteur chinois si am savurat ceva cald, ca era zapada adevarata, de aia umeda si rece ;)

la revenirea acasa (la 15 km de Paris) am "ratat" la mustata un buson pe autostrada A10 ce incepe aproape de casa mea. buson ce a durat pina a doua zi dimineata :D

apoi au urmat vreo 8-10 zile de zapada - am facut poze cu toate locurile ce imi placeau de pe linga casa, curtea, parcul din Sceaux etc cu zapada, asa de bizar mi se parea.

sau sa conduc pe zapada :)) o placere, pe bune! nu pe autostrada totusi:)
common sense - de AlexM la: 05/10/2004 07:17:11
(la: Proiectantul de farfurii zburatoare)
Horia zise:

"Le-ai verificat? Eu nu le-am vazut, dar common sense imi spune ca e vorba de mult vant"

Nu pot verifica lucruri pentru care-mi lipseshte baza teoretica necesara. Despre acel common sense:-am un baietel care printre alte jucarii are shi nishte oratanii numite farfurii zburatoare. Si chestiile asea se ridica in aer prin faptul ca suportul pe care sint fixate le da o mishcare circulara. Daca tragi ushor de elastic, mishcarea de rotatie e mica si obiectul doar se invarte, nu se ridica de pe suportul sau. In momentul in care mishcarea de rotatie are o anumita putere, dracia se ridica sin suportul respectiv si zboara.Ca atare roatie+ zburat= true si common sense= 0
De aia ziceam sa spuna cineva care se pricepe la fizica unde-i hiba. Common sense al nespecialistului poate fi destul de caduc uneori.

Cu stima,

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cella seni? scuze.. ma intre - de Honey in the Sunshine la: 07/02/2006 00:44:52
(la: vis cu dracusori colorati)
cella seni?
scuze.. ma intreb o data... cella seni ?! :D
E o gluma ?:)
What if nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Or what's worse, what if only that fat guy in the third row exists? - W. Allen
Podurile peste Sena - de zaraza sc la: 27/05/2014 11:52:05
(la: Bonjour, Paris!)
Alte locuri care trebuie punctate sunt podurile peste Sena. :) Indiferent de aspectul lor, mi-au placut podurile... Cu cat mai simple, cu atat mi-au patruns mai mult in suflet! :)

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ptr. Zamolxe - de SB_one la: 12/11/2003 15:16:14
(la: Irak)
Ai vorbit ca un tarabostes; nu-mi ramine decit sa adaug cele de mai jos.

> This will get you fired up!
> I wonder how many people are aware of this information. Love him or
> loath him, he nailed this one right on the head
> By Rush Limbaugh:
> I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the
> September 11 casualty and those who die serving the country in Uniform
> are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you
> just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11.
> Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something
> really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.
> If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to
> get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of
> $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.
> If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed In
> action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half
> of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are
> the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry.
> And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When
> the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.
> Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of
> $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough.
> Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong
> place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL
> OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.
> We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the
> Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same
> deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that,
> some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for
> compensation as well.
> You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel
> of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just
> really sad.
> Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive
> next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the
> Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live
> in low-rent housing. Make sense?
> However, our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many
> of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to
> receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month, and most are now
> equal to being millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social
> Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.
> If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an
> E-7, you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people
> who placed you in harm's way receive a pension of $15,000 per month. I
> would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks
> before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and
> daughters who are now fighting.
> "When do we finally do something about this?" If this doesn't seem fair
> to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.
> If your interested there is more............
> This must be a campaign issue in 2004. Keep it going. SOCIAL SECURITY:
> (This is worth the read. It's short and to the point.)
> Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our
> Senators and Congressmen do not pay into Social Security. Many years
> ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no
> congressperson has felt the need to change it. For all practical
> purposes their plan works like this:
> When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die,
> except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.
> For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives
> may expect to draw $7,800,000 - that's Seven Million, Eight Hundred
> Thousand), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of
> their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each.
> Their cost for this excellent plan is $00.00. These little perks they
> voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for
> this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from
> the General Fund--our tax dollars at work! From our own Social Security
> Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into --every payday until we
> retire (which amount is matched by our employer) --we can expect to get
> an average $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we
> would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68
> years and one month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!
> Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
> And that change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from
> under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security
> plan with the rest of us and then watch how fast they would fix it.
> If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted
> and maybe good changes will evolve. WE, each one of us... can make a
> difference..
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Tunick : oamenii ca o turma - de Dinu Lazar la: 14/11/2003 09:50:06
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
aaa...sigur ca arta ar trebui sa transmita idei, da` fiecare arta cu meshteshugu` sau... una e meshteshugu` si alta e ideea... una fara alta nu se poate... ai o gara cu o suta de femei goale? Asta e o idee. Si? In conceptia mea asta nu ajunge... trebuie lumina, cadru, atmosfera... iacata ce spun cei mari:

"Simply look with perceptive eyes at the world about you, and trust to your own reactions and convictions. Ask yourself: "Does this subject move me to feel, think and dream? Can I visualize a print - my own personal statement of what I feel and want to convey - from the subject before me?"

-Ansel Adams

It is light that reveals, light that obscures, light that communicates. It is light I "listen"
to. The light late in the day has a distinct quality, as it fades toward the darkness of evening. After sunset there is a gentle leaving of the light, the air begins to still, and a quiet descends. I see magic in the quiet light of dusk. I feel quiet, yet intense energy in the natural elements of our habitat. A sense of magic prevails. A sense of mystery. It is a time for contemplation, for listening - a time for making photographs.

-John Sexton
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Andrei - de LMMagain la: 08/12/2003 08:40:29
(la: Ce este un gentleman? (o parere victoriana))
Desi este foarte frumos citatul ales de tine (si convingator)eu cind am spus ce am spus m-am referit strict la ce am citit sub linkul afisat de Daniel . Un mic fragment:
´´He (the gentleman) has too much good sense to be affronted at insults, he is too well employed to remember injuries, and too indolent to bear malice. He is patient, forbearing, and resigned, on philosophical principles; he submits to pain, because it is inevitable, to bereavement, because it is irreparable, and to death, because it is his destiny. If he engages in controversy of any kind, his disciplined intellect preserves him from the blunder. [From The Idea of a University, 1852]

Probabil citeva cuvinte mi-au influentat impresia generala, mai degraba barbat cu caracter slab decit un gentleman....Si acelea sint: inevitable,resigned, irreparable, destiny.......
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Dictatorul - de Little Eagle la: 26/02/2004 13:10:36
(la: "Ceausescu a fost dat jos de CIA")
Hi Daniel,
As dori mult sa vad acest documentar,din pacate cu toate ca am satelite dish
si o gramada de canale cablu Tv de nu le mai tin minte cite sute sint,NU am acces la nimic romanesc.este oare posibil sa pot cumpara cumva acest documentar?Si cum as putea s-o fac?
Daca real CIA a fost implicata,nu ma surprinde deloc!!!THE BIG BROTHER is everywhere and is watching you as we speak!Si asa pe aici pe la noi prin USA
traim parca romanul lui Orwell(1984)zi de zi.Deci nimic nu m-ar surprinde!
Nu-mi dau seama ce interese ar avea USA in Romania?OIL NU este...insa desigur as fi curios sa vad filmul.
Apropo de filme,recomand f. mult"Equilibrium",cu Christian Bale(va fi noul Batman si daca el vrea,i s-a propus sa-l inlocuiasca pe Pierce Brosnan si deci sa devina noul James Bond)
Equilibrium este o combo Matrix-1984,Big Brother este numit the Father insa.
Pacat ca a aparut pe piata in acelasi timp cu...primul Matrix.
Ti-am scris demult ca am lucrat cu fratii Watchovsky cu 14 ani in urma la revista "Hellraiser"(ulterior s-au facut vreo 5 filme)a lui Clive Barker.Ei au creat ,scris si regizat toate Matrix-urile.
Totusi Equilibrium e mai interesant.Si recomand un alt f. bun film,cu Frances McDormand si Christian Bale,"Laurel Canyon"
N-am vazut inca filmul lui Mel Gibson,il vom vedea in acest weekend,a stirnit destule controverse pe aici,mai ales din partea...clericului fie catolic fie protestant,caci deh...N-AU altceva bun de facut,ca de obicei!Stiu ca Mel este f.f.f catolic in credinta si impotriva avorturilor si asa a fost crescut de parinti,dar fiind artist si producator si regizor si propie casa de filme(Icon)
si-a exprimat opinia cit se poate de dura si reala despre Avatarul Jesus the Christ si consider laudabila atitudinea lui.Desigur ca ...lumea evreiasca la fel condamna acest si cum NU EI sint vinovati de moartea lui Jesus!!!!!!
Let's face it: EI l-au condamnat la moarte,romanii NU au nimic de-a face cu asta,CINE a ales intre Barnabas si Jesus?Poporul evreu!
Asa ca mai bine ar ....face ciocu mic!!!!Ha!
Si uite asa cum ajunsei de la un Tiran de dictator la....Jesus!Makes NO sense!
Am I going insane or what?
Am sa vad filmul lui Mel si voi comenta mai pe larg.Am vorbit cu prieteni si toti au spus ca filmul e colosal de f. BUN!!!Poate in aceiasi categorie cu al lui Martin Scorsese,daca-ti aduci aminte,la fel a stirnit scandaluri pe aici.Cu un actor f. bun.Willem Dafoe.
Asa e mereu prin tara lui BIG BROTHER!!!!SSSShhhh!He's watching us!!
Nu-ti imaginezi cite sute si sute de scrisori de proteste diverse am scris si trimis la Casa Alba!!!
Fie legate de politica,ori mediul natural(ce boul asta de Bush il distruge),ori pt. soarta unor animale sau pasari ce le-a pus deja pe cale de disparitie,etc.etcOare crezi ca am incetat lupta?
Am luptat impotriva imbecilului de Ceausescu cit am trait in n-am stiut daca mai apuc ziua de miine,acum e alt imbecil care ma supara si NU pot sa TAC!!
Ce daca traiesc de 23 ani in USA???Dictatori sint pretutindeni ori actori de duzina ce devin ...guvernatori!!!Republicani si cretini in plus.Caci nu se poate altfel.Oare trebuie sa fiu multumit ca traiesc aici?de as trai in Franta tot la fel as fi,si as lupta,ori in Italia ori oriunde pe glob.Dar am luat-o razna cu divagatia mea,am I going CRAZZZYYYY?You bet!
Daca poti sa-mi spui cum as putea face rost de documentar,ar fi de mare ajutor.
Altfel sa speram ca totul e OK si sa mai traim o noua zi de minciuna si sa gustam cu placere din iluzia vietii.So live for today,tomorrow never comes,sau pe scurt si mai romaneste,traieste clipa.


. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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okapa destin - de Belle la: 01/07/2004 02:49:12
(la: despre barbati ... fara suparare :))
eu n-am decat o singura parere: barbatii sunt buni doar sa deschida borcane, sa omoare ganganii si sa tunda iarba ;)

uite si celelalte doua bancuri de care-ti spuneam ... si promit de-acum inainte sa mai caut si bancuri in romana (nu e vina mea ca si cei din RO tot in engleza imi trimit da' o sa-ncerc sa ma conformez)

There were two golfers on the golf course.
One of the men pulled out a cigarette, and asked his friend for a light.
His friend pulls out a 12 inch Bic lighter.
“Wow, where did you get such a large Bic?” “Oh, my genie got it for me.”
“Your genie? You have a genie? Where is he?”
“He is in my golf bag.”
The friend says, “Can I see him?” His friend says “yes, sure!” So the friend looks in the bag and out comes the genie.
The man says to the genie: “I am your master’s best friend. Would you grant me just one wish?” The genie says “yes, just one wish”. So the man wishes for a million bucks.
The genie goes back in the golf bag without saying a word. Pretty soon, the sky starts to get dark. Then it gets even darker. The man looks up and sees a million ducks flying over.
He gets really upset, and says “what is the matter with your genie? Is he hard of hearing? I said a million Bucks, not a million Ducks.”
His friend says to him: “Do you really think I asked for a 12 inch Bic?”

An elderly lady phoned her telephone company to report that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called and that on the few occasions when it did ring, her pet dog always moaned right before the phone rang.

The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile elderly lady. He climbed a nearby telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned loudly and the telephone began to ring.

Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1. The dog was tied to the telephone 's ground wire via a steel chain and collar.
2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.
3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the phone number was called.
4. After a couple of such jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate on himself and the ground.
5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.

Which goes to show that some problems can be fixed by pissing and moaning.

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Cezar - de Little Eagle la: 04/07/2004 09:07:23
(la: Iubirea, un "natural"? Care dragoste?)
Dear Bro,

It is VERY simple couple of words I say everything using.Morrison's song.LA woman....odata am sa scriu ceva despre acest FANTASTIC GRUP INCA DIN 1967......domne,cand ascult acest cantec ori orice cantece ale The DOORS
inebunesc,gasesc in ele poezie(Jim MOrrison,un geniu),merg cu masina si oriunde merg si pe jos imi vin in minte si le cant cu voce tare...CUM NU poti trai in tine pe Jim????El cadea pe scena beat mort si plin de oare...cine NU iubeste muzica lor???Fara Jim...NU ar fi DOORS,Fara Ozzy NU ar fi fost Sabbath,Fara Pete Nu ar fi fost the Who,Fara Keith and Mick....NO STONES...ce sa mai zic de a fost idolul din nou....intreb...I am asking a question if the answer can be sold......CONTEAZA Ca aceste genii au fost ori sunt niste drug addicts si alcoholics????Daca real va luati de ei in asa nu ascultati deloc muzica lor!

Jim Morrison???YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE,YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT daca odata in viata ta NU ai auzit un cantec al lor(the doors)si NU ti-a placut!!!!Cine e asa NU are ce vorbi cu mine .Kaput!!!!

Asa ca inchei cu ce am zis la inceput:
"....a lucky little lady in the city of lights,
or just a lost angel in the city of night,
City of night babe.LA woman...,gimme your blues,gimme yourblueblueblue blues,gimme your blues...."""

O boy daca cineva din voi nu va place LA woman(a zice...David al lui Michelangelo.dar in NU-mi vorbiti deloc de muzica niciodata)Si poate cativa stiti si ce inseamna....gimme your blues...cand spui asta unei babe.Alright now,live for today,tomorrow never comes...ascultati Doors si mai vorbim...acum alta mica poveste.....Marilyn sotia mea,care de 5 zile vrea sa ma bage la balamuc(mental institution....)
de cand iar beau cu galeata whiskey si vin....

Pete(Townshend )a avut drinking problems si aproape a murit plus aproaape pierdut...familia...odata era beat mort si s-a trezit in ....sifonierul lui Mick Jagger,ei sunt mari prieteni de zeci de si avut opresc aici....!!!!!!!
Nu am voie sa spun nimic fara permisiune!!!!!!!!!
deci inchei aici,si...poate versurile lui Jim vor spune totul....

Ozzy....and all of you guys and girls(I love you ALLLLLLLL!!!)JUST
HAVE A DRINK ON ME!!!Bon Scott.....a murit ca John Bonham,amandoi beti morti si s-au inecat in propia place AC/DC,cel cu Scott pana la 1980?Va place Led nu-mi veniti cu ...."Nu stiu,N-am auzit...etc...."""Zepp NU ar fi existat fara Bonham,un drogat si betiv notoriu.....a locuit vecin de gard cu...alt mare drummer....Bill Ward(de la Black Sabbath);vroia sa-i taie ca Bill era asa de bun la tobe...!!!mai va zic eu multe cand am dreptul sa le zic,okay?

Oameni ca avem o amprenta de lasat in lume????
Oricat de drogati si insane am fi??????????
Ozzy...I gotta go to sleep...I'm drunk and make no sense of myself.....aici e 2 dimineata...

RUMI - de giocondel la: 13/08/2004 10:11:08
(la: Cele mai frumoase poezii)
"Out beyound ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field.I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas,language,even the phrase"each other"
doesn't make any sense."
Soul receives from soul that knowledge, therefore not by book
nor from tongue.
If knowledge of mysteries come after emptiness of mind, that is
illumination of heart.
Sweetly parading you go my soul of soul, go not without me;
life of your friends, enter not the garden without me.
Sky, revolve not without me; moon, shine not without me;
earth travel not without me, and time, go not without me.

Let it be. - de Little Eagle la: 15/08/2004 02:14:24
(la: Nasterea din fecioara, demonstrata stiintific ca posibila)
Dear bro,

Am trait mereu clipa si o fac mereu zi de zi.
Sa nu vorbim acum de mormoni....indienii NU au de-a face cu ei DELOC.O inventie a lui Jim Smith....!

Uneori scriu destule,uneori injur si sunt rau si multe ori UIT ce am scris,de multe ori UIT ce-mi spune sotia...imi pare rau de asta...e VINA MEA pt. ca drugs au distrus atata in creierii imi dau seama nici azi ca real POT avea o pot face bani si avea atatia cunoscuti si prieteni ori ca POT scrie o fraza ca acum ce poate makes sense?

Nu stiu nimic!Imi zic si eu opinia dar Nu ma iau de nimeni unless provoked.De obicei sunt pasnic.
Vezi frate?Inca invat....mereu.Cand scriu ,uneori sunt ori obosit dupa f. multe ore de munca,ori nu ma exprim corect in idei si opinii...e greu dar cred ca si voi aveti astfel de probleme nu stati sa va recititi mesajul ori sa-l compuneti.Eu personal NU imi place sa-mi revad ce am scris...unii actori de film nu vor sa-si vada filmele in care au jucat.

Despre cati indieni au murit in pus la un loc si pe cei din america de sud+Usa.In USa numai au fost ucisi peste 20 milioane!
Nu se dau...cifrele corecte pt. ca...guvernul american se simte cu...chip on the shoulder sau...musca pe caciula...!STIU ca au luat acest pamant prin forta si agresiune,si minciuna!

Cand am scris odata mai demult am spus cum si cati au fost la Columbus incoace si inca inainte de el!Un om f.rau!

Cat priveste"mutenia" nu ai inteles cuvintele mele ori eu m-am exprimat gresit.

Am vrut sa spun ca indienii apreciaza fapta si nu vorbele!Silence speaks to the heart of the one who is receptive to the voice.
DCE CE eu VORBESC MULT?Pt. ca ei au nevoie de o voce sa spuna lumii cat se poate mai multe despre sunt vocea lor,ei vorbesc prin mine,my friend and brother.

Crezi ca as fi ofensat vreodata de oricine ce ma pune la zid si ma critica?Nu!
Are sens? NU!I love you like my brother,si te ascult ,te aud,te inteleg,inteleg pe multi din cafenea,dar putini pe mine,insa cu vremea,ma vor cunoaste.
Moartea...e o treapta doar spre alta viata....stiu...multi NU sunt de acord si nu cred in reincarnare,fiecare CREDE ce vrea...NICIODATA NU am facut din subiectele si textele mele o filosofie de urmat,NU doresc NIMANUI raul sau sa fiu uracios si invidios,sa va ajute Dumnezeu sa fiti ce vreti voi,faimosi sau milionari (in $),sa fiti si sa deveniti ce vreti din vise sau realitate,tot va iubesc!!!!Pt. mine...NU conteaza banii ci omul si daca iar injur pe cineva acum...imi cer iertare.

Muresh,ma cunosti,e greu sa ma explic.Uneori omul (mai ales artistii,muzicieni scriitori etc)au alt ego decat un om sa zic obisnuit.
Pt. ca noi plutim intr-o lume diferita si greu de inteles de oricine care VREA sa fie ca noi,sa aiba faima,sa fie la party-uri cu mari starui la care tu sau m ulti altii din cafenea raman doar cu ...visele!!!!Si atunci ce se intampla cand ma apuc eu sa scriu pe cine am cunoscut,vazut,vorbit,primit castane la cap?

Ajung sa fiu a crazy guy.Oare chiar are sens sa fiu considerat asa?
Domne (NU e vorba de tine ),daca VRETI sa Nu mai fac parte din cafenea,scrie-ti once &for all!!!!Nu ma voi supara pe nimeni!
Sincer vorbesc.

Dar de cate ori imi deschid gura la acest forum...parca vreau mereu sa plec!
Am ajuns sa-mi fie teama sa mai scriu opinia mea!
De aia mereu am zis ca plec si am revenit,si ce voi face maine?NU stiu dar daca continua asa,m-ati pierdut ca client!!!!!

Si in acea zi ma voi deconecta.
Din nou NU e vina mea...mai ganditi bine.


"it does not require many words to speak the truth."

Chief Joseph(Nez Perce/Iroquois tribe=north NY state.)

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Conventia Republicanilor si ce zice un Democrat - de LMC la: 02/09/2004 19:40:00
(la: Despre Alegerile din S.U.A.: De ce trebuie sa votam pt. GWB.)
Sint inflacarata si imes de mindra de conventia Republicanilor. Totodata imi pare bine ca printre Democrati mai exista oameni ca Zell Miller care poate face discernamintul intre bine si rau. Puterea cuvintelor lui din speech-ul de aseara puteti sa le cititi mai jos. Imi pare rau ca nu este tradus in Romaneste, ar putea politicienii din Romania sa invete ceva.

Senator Zell Miller

Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller Family has been born: Four great grandchildren.

Along with all the other members of our close-knit family -- they are my and Shirley's most precious possessions.

And I know that's how you feel about your family also.

Like you, I think of their future, the promises and the perils they will face.

Like you, I believe that the next four years will determine what kind of world they will grow up in.

And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family?

The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party.

There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that man's name is

George Bush.

In the summer of 1940, I was an eight-year-old boy living in a remote little Appalachian valley.

Our country was not yet at war but even we children knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us if they could.

President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America "all private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding public danger."

In 1940 Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee.

And there is no better example of someone repealing their "private plans" than this good man.

He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime draft, an unpopular idea at the time.

And he made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign issue.

Shortly before Wilkie died he told a friend, that if he could write his own epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here lies one who contributed to saving freedom", he would prefer the latter.

Where are such statesmen today?

Where is the bi-partisanship in this country when we need it most?

Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander-in-Chief.

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.

It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.

Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.

It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.

No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.

But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.

And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.

Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but Americans need to know the facts.

The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40% of the bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.

The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.

The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.

The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this very city after 9/11.

I could go on and on and on: Against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel, Against the Aegis air-defense cruiser, Against the Strategic Defense Initiative, Against the Trident missile, against, against, against.

This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces?

U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?

Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty weeks of campaign rhetoric.

Campaign talk tells people who you want them to think you are. How you vote tells people who you really are deep inside.

Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations.

Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending. I want Bush to decide.

John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.

That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This politician wants to be leader of the free world.

Free for how long?

For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military.

As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far-away.

George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats.

John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists.

No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under.

George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip.

From John Kerry, they get a "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies and confuse our friends.

I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I admire this man.

I am moved by the respect he shows the First Lady, his unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.

I can identify with someone who has lived that line in "Amazing Grace," "Was blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning.

He is not a slick talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from, deeds mean a lot more than words.

I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.

The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family.

This election will change forever the course of history, and that's not any history. It's our family's history.

The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like many generations before us, we've got some hard choosing to do.

Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted, self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world.

In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.

Thank you.

God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.
ehe alex - de Belle la: 10/09/2004 22:42:29
da' de astea ai auzit (si-s chiar in turca nu romanesti cu origine turca)

canim benim
seni sevyorum
seni cok ozledim
tessekur edderim

si daca vrei mai pot sa fac rost ;) da' astea le stiu pe din-afara de mult!

~~~ I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
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1984 era mic copil - de Dinu Lazar la: 25/09/2004 14:38:34
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr., Chairman _____________________________________ News Advisory For immediate release Contact: Jeff Lungren/Terry Shawn September 21, 2004 202-225-2492 House Approves Video Voyeurism Legislation Offenses Punishable by up to $100,000 Fine and 1 Year Imprisonment WASHINGTON, D.C. - The House today approved by voice vote legislation
imposing civil and criminal penalties for those surreptitiously photographing or videotaping a person naked or partially naked on federal lands. The Senate passed S. 1301 in July and it now goes to President Bush for his signature. House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis,) said “With the development of smaller cameras and the instantaneous distribution capability of the Internet, the issue of ‘video voyeurism’ is a huge privacy concern. Unsuspecting adults, as well as high school students and children have been targeted in school locker rooms, department store dressing rooms, and even in their homes.” “Many states have since passed laws to target video voyeurism to protect those in private areas, but there are fewer protections for those who may be photographed in compromising positions in public places. S. 1301 makes the act of ‘video voyeurism’ illegal on Federal land such as national parks or Federal buildings, using the well-accepted legal concept that individuals are entitled to a reasonable expectation of privacy. It also serves as model legislation for states that have not yet enacted their own laws or need to update existing laws to account for the rapid spread of camera technology.
This crime would be punishable by a fine of not more than $100,000 or imprisonment for up to 1 year, or both,” added Chairman Sensenbrenner. S. 1301 was introduced by Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) and spearheaded by Rep.
Mike Oxley (R-Ohio) and others in the House.
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PBS, ca si NPR, si mai nou CB - de Horia D la: 29/09/2004 21:05:11
(la: Cine conduce lumea?)
PBS, ca si NPR sunt parte din aparatul de propaganda al democratilor (mai bine zis al laturii liberale a partidului democrat... Ai auzit de Zell Miller, senator democrat din Georgia? - vezi ce spune)

Cat despre WMD, hai sa-ti dau niste citate din discursurile lui Kerry:

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons
of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction . So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Oh, the wonder of it all, now that Bush has done just what Kerry said should be done, he changes his stand.

Kerry's slogan "I am for everything, I am against everything, that leaves no room for argument!"

The things that come to those who wait are what's left behind by those
who got there first.
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Pentru Hypatia (Mea culpa) - de AR la: 25/10/2004 13:53:33
(la: Obligativitatea religiei in scoli - o masura nelegala?)

Imi insusesc urmatoarele definitii (din Dictionarul Explicativ) ale termenilor in discutie:

IMORAL (adj.) = care este in contradictie cu principiile moralei
MORAL (adj.) = care corespunde moralei; in conformitate cu morala
MORALA (s.f.) = forma a constiintei sociale care reflecta si fixeaza idei, conceptii, convingeri privind comportarea individului în societate.

Ca sa nu-mi reprosati unicitatea sursei de informare (periculoasa, dupa Sf. Ieronim: "TIMEO HOMINEM VNVS LIBRI"), va sugerez si cateva definitii cosmopolite:

IMMORAL (adj.) = Qui viole les règles de la morale
MORAL (adj.) = Qui concerne les moeurs, les règles de conduite en usage dans une société.
MORALE (n.f.) = Ensemble des principes de jugement et de conduite qui s'imposent à la conscience individuelle ou collective comme fondés sur les impératifs du bien; cet ensemble érigé en doctrine.

IMMORAL (adj.) = Contrary to established moral principles
MORAL (adj.) = 1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character. 2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior. 3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous. 4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong. 5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects. 6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence.
MORAL (n.) = 1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event. 2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
MORALE (n.) = The state of the spirits of a person or group as exhibited by confidence, cheerfulness, discipline, and willingness to perform assigned tasks.
MORALS (n. pl.) = Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong.

Din cele de mai sus se vede ca MORALA este o constructie a mintii umane, un ansamblu reguli de comportament specifice unei anumite comunitati umane. Unele comunitati (mai exact, conducatorii politico-religiosi ai acestora), din dorinta de a legitima un anumit set de reguli, i-au inventat origini supranaturale (exemplu: Decalogul inscris in Tablele Legii).

Exista, prin urmare, o morala crestin-ortodoxa (aplicabila exclusiv celor care apartin de facto comunitatii crestin-ortodoxe, definita ca multimea persoanelor credincioase care respecta normele Bisericii), dar si alte morale, specifice altor comunitati (nu neaparat religioase). De exemplu, sinuciderea este considerata imorala de catre morala crestina (dar si de catre cea islamica, de exemplu), dar normele morale hinduse si shintoiste o accepta...
De aceea, cred ca trebuie declarat intotdeauna CADRUL MORAL in care se face o apreciere morala (la Fizica, asta se cheama precizarea sistemului de referinta). Nu este, adica, riguros stiintific sa se faca aprecieri morale fara aceasta precizare.

Statele moderne (laice, in cea mai mare parte), in dorinta stabilirii unui set universal de principii independent de conditionarile nationale si religioase, au adoptat in 1948 Declaratia Universala a Drepturilor Omului, ca ansamblu de norme de comportament individual si colectiv.
La ACEST set de principii m-am referit cand am afirmat (in comentariul cu pricina) ca obligativitatea studierii religiei in scoli, ca disciplina obligatorie, in trunchiul comun, este imorala: se incalca Articolul 18 al numitei Declaratii.

In sfarsit, va cer scuze pentru lipsa de rigurozitate.
Va multumesc pentru ca mi-ati atras atentia.
Cu stima,

P.S. Personal, nu cred ca, in anul 2004, cineva mai poate crede SINCER ca textul biblic este de sorginte divina si ca are si alta valoare in afara celei literare (remarcabila, de altfel, desi extrem de inegala)...
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