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NATIONAL UNION OF JOURNALISTS DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY COSTS GUIDE - de Dinu Lazar la: 29/03/2005 14:07:32
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
The seismic transformation from film to digital has left both clients and photographers alike unsure how and what to charge for photographs taken and supplied digitally.

The issue was clear when film was the norm, and during the recent transition period of shooting film but delivering a digital scan. Clients would pay for film costs and processing, and would receive processed scans as an additional service, paying scanning fees either to the photographer or to a processing lab.

In the photographer's case these fees went wholly or partially towards the additional expenses incurred in digital production - simply put, the costs of the computer, monitor, calibration equipment, scanner and photo-processing software (Photoshop), investment in acquiring the necessary skills, and of course the additional labour time now spent after each job, scanning individual film into 'ready to use' RGB digital files.

Now however, film, ‘wet’ processing and the presentation of prints, transparencies or even scans from film is steadily fading.

Digital capture is now the norm in the overwhelming degree of cases - but the 'virtual' nature of digital images has left some clients thinking there are no longer any costs to pay beyond the photographer's initial commission fee.

And many photographers who are in no doubt about the additional costs they still have to bear, charge for those costs in ways that confuse not only their clients but also themselves.

So what should photographers be charging for, and why?

They no longer have to pay for film & processing, so some would argue, neither should their clients.

But photographers still have to supply their intellectual property - photographs - in a material form. They do so in the form of processed digital image files*, digitally transmitted to clients or delivered on digital media (CD, DVD).

That is the service photographers now provide & must charge their clients for - their costs of capturing, processing, transmitting and presenting the images on digital media to clients.

This service requires the appropriate equipment, skills and labour time, and so fees must be levied to clients (in the same way as a film scanning fee) that goes wholly or partially towards the additional expenses incurred in digital production.

So perhaps the question would be better re-phrased as follows: What services do clients require, and what should they pay?

Some clients say they require nothing more than the files straight from the camera (sometimes the entire contents of the camera card) and claim they should pay no more than the commission fee itself, by asserting that these ‘digits’ cost the photographer nothing, and should therefore not be charged to the client.

Firstly, this is not true.

In order to produce digital images, the photographer has to meet the huge capital cost of professional digital cameras, which cost 3-4 times more than film cameras, and require replacement in less than half the time of their film equivalents (The life span of professional digital cameras is currently about two years before replacement, whereas film cameras could last a decade or more).

Secondly, the frequent dismissal of these capital costs on the grounds that they save photographers money in film and lab bills is not true either.

The photographer used to pass these film/lab production charges directly on to the client IN ADDITION to the commission fee, so nothing is being saved by the photographer, who is now facing the extra costs of producing digital images, which now, as then, has to be met one way or another by the client.

The ‘straight from the camera’ supply of digital files is deeply unsatisfactory for photographers and clients, and the practice of handing over the entire contents of a camera card for the commission fee - commonly referred to in justly unflattering terms as a 'Dump and Run' - cannot be endorsed or encouraged by the NUJ.

The client gets unedited digital files, including all the under and overexposed frames, the unsharp frames and all the "indecisive" moments.
Moreover, digital files that are correctly exposed but otherwise uncorrected or processed in imaging software like Photoshop rarely match the quality of original prints or transparencies, or the scans photographers used to make from them.

It also provides no way of tracking image usage, due to the amount of files handed over, lack of captions or photographer credit on each file, and with widespread ignorance about the licensing of images**, constitutes a virtually 'Royalty Free' handover of images from the photographer without appropriate payment.

(This should be distinguished from the legitimate professional need for unprocessed files on some occasions – for example a newspaper requiring a picture wired on a very tight deadline. However, the photographer should in these cases still provide AN EDIT of their shoot, which should be captioned accordingly with copyright details – not the whole card, and licensing usage should always be confirmed beforehand).

Photographers take pride in providing an edited selection of colour corrected, sharpened & captioned photographs - in short, working professionally - the way they always have, by presenting an edited, processed, captioned set of prints, transparencies and now...digital images.

So professionally prepared files are the best way of supplying photographs for both photographer and client - they are after all exactly what the client previously received in the form of prints, transparencies or scans from film.

And charging for the production of professional files is also the most appropriate way of meeting digital costs. They can either be charged for individually, or in bulk at an hourly rate if appropriate.

It should be remembered here that in addition to meeting the capital costs of digital cameras, and charging for extra labour time, the photographer has to meet the costs of running a 'digital darkroom'. These include the capital cost of computers that become obsolete almost as fast as the cameras, monitors and software.

In addition photographers charge for digital delivery, either by burning to CD/DVD, or by digital transmission, and also digital archiving on a hard drive or storable media.

Here then is a guide to digital charges recommended by the NUJ, to create a transparent and open system that fairly rewards photographers for both their time and expertise, as well as one that informs buyers of photography what they should expect for their money.

The guide works through a typical digital photographer’s workflow – from digital capture through to the presentation of processed files.

Digital or inkjet contact sheets - £20.00 per contact sheet.

Processed digital image file (or scan from film) - £15.00 per file.

Bulk processing of digital files - £100.00 per hour for orders over 7 files (minimum fee one hour)

(A contact sheet is in effect ‘the contents of the camera card’, but is a preview for client choice and photographer processing – a legitimate and more transparent alternative to a ‘Dump and Run’, as the client can choose how many files they need processing on an amount or cost basis, in consultation with the photographer)

Burning files to CD - £10.00 per CD

Burning files to DVD - £20.00 per DVD

Digital Transmission - £20.00 for up to 10 images.

Each further transmission after the first 10 - £2.00 surcharge on each image (£15.00 plus £2.00 = £17.00)

VAT is added at the standard rate where the photographer is VAT registered.

NB: these charges are applicable only to editorial and PR photography for newspaper and magazines. Digital charges for medium to large format and studio work will be higher, especially where files are converted from RGB to CMYK, and proof prints are supplied.
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A processed digital image file is a file that is cleaned, cropped and colour corrected for appropriate use in print or the Web, and captioned with IPTC information. For further definitions and guidelines, please refer to the NUJ Digital Processing Guide, which provides a basic outline.

* Photographers, particularly freelances, do not sell their images to clients - they ‘license’ the use of the image for a specific purpose and time frame for an appropriate fee, and issue a simple license agreement and Terms and Conditions in their delivery note. The license, in conjunction with covering digital costs and the photographers commission fee constitutes their ‘fee for the job’, and can vary from job to job. For further definitions and guidelines, please refer to the NUJ Photographic Licensing Guide, which provides a basic outline.
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RawShooter - noutati!!!!!!!!! - de Dinu Lazar la: 14/04/2005 14:46:15
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Updated version

Since the initial release a month ago of RawShooter essentials 2005 we have been busy updating the product with improvements to quality, workflow and hardware and camera compatibility. Especially we would like to draw your attention to these improvements:

• Expanded camera compatibility: Canon EOS 350D/Rebel XT, Nikon D2X, Minolta A200, Minolta 7Hi, Epson R1-D as well as improved compatibility with several cameras already supported
• A new Processing Parameter Panel to control the default processing parameters such as noise / detail / sharpness to be applied across camera type and ISO range
• Black and white support
• Improved highlight rendering and tonal treatments, color rendering and noise reduction
• Enhanced metadata support (EXIF / IPTC)
• Improved hardware and OS compatibility
• Various workflow and functionality enhancements

An updated version of RawShooter essentials 2005 (v1.1.1) is available now to download. We recommend that all current users upgrade to this version and that it be installed over you existing version 1.0. Please note that you will not have to re-register and all of your priorities / colour changes etc will be preserved. For a detailed list of amendments please see the Release Note for version 1.1 and the 'read me' text for version 1.1.1. These documents form an appendix to the existing User Guide highlighting any amendments.

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ptr. Zamolxe - de SB_one la: 12/11/2003 15:16:14
(la: Irak)
Ai vorbit ca un tarabostes; nu-mi ramine decit sa adaug cele de mai jos.
SB

> This will get you fired up!
>
>
>
> I wonder how many people are aware of this information. Love him or
> loath him, he nailed this one right on the head
>
> By Rush Limbaugh:
>
> I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the
> September 11 casualty and those who die serving the country in Uniform
> are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you
> just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11.
>
> Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something
> really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.
>
> If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to
> get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of
> $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.
>
> If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed In
> action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half
> of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are
> the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry.
>
> And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When
> the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.
>
> Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of
> $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough.
> Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong
> place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL
> OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.
>
> We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the
> Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same
> deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that,
> some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for
> compensation as well.
>
> You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel
> of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just
> really sad.
>
> Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive
> next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the
> Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live
> in low-rent housing. Make sense?
>
> However, our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many
> of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to
> receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month, and most are now
> equal to being millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social
> Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.
>
> If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an
> E-7, you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people
> who placed you in harm's way receive a pension of $15,000 per month. I
> would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks
> before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and
> daughters who are now fighting.
>
> "When do we finally do something about this?" If this doesn't seem fair
> to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.
>
> If your interested there is more............
>
> This must be a campaign issue in 2004. Keep it going. SOCIAL SECURITY:
> (This is worth the read. It's short and to the point.)
>
> Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our
> Senators and Congressmen do not pay into Social Security. Many years
> ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no
> congressperson has felt the need to change it. For all practical
> purposes their plan works like this:
>
> When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die,
> except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.
> For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives
> may expect to draw $7,800,000 - that's Seven Million, Eight Hundred
> Thousand), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of
> their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each.
>
> Their cost for this excellent plan is $00.00. These little perks they
> voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for
> this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from
> the General Fund--our tax dollars at work! From our own Social Security
> Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into --every payday until we
> retire (which amount is matched by our employer) --we can expect to get
> an average $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we
> would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68
> years and one month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!
>
> Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
> And that change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from
> under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security
> plan with the rest of us and then watch how fast they would fix it.
>
> If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted
> and maybe good changes will evolve. WE, each one of us... can make a
> difference..
>
>
.
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Ultimele 5 carti citite - de Florin Firimita la: 03/01/2004 14:39:22
(la: Florin Firimita despre experienta emigrarii si "Arta de a pleca")
Monica Lovinescu - Jurnal 1985-1988
Mircea Cartarescu - Travesti
Reinaldo Arenas - Singing From the Well
Czeslaw Milosz - The Collected Poems
Iris Murdoch - Metaphysics As a Guide to Morals
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Re: O invitatie la un regal de fotografie - de Dinu Lazar la: 02/02/2004 12:24:56
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Raspunsul meu sincer la prima intrebare este ca fotografia comerciala nu presupune nici o arta. Mai degraba stiinta, stiinta inalta.
Ca sa faci o buna fotografie comerciala trebuie, teoretic, sa cunosti multa compozitie si estetica, tehnica, sa ai deosebite aptitudini de comunicare vizuala, sa poti sa te integrezi intr-o echipa, sa intelegi ce vrea art directorul sau stilistul sau clientul sau beneficiarul...
Practic insa, de foarte multe ori in Ro e mai important sa cunosti pe cine trebuie unde trebuie si ai comenzi...
Deci, pentru un fotograf comercial, nu as numi ca importante artele vizuale, ca fiind absolut necesare, ci tehnica imaginii si mai ales artele comunicarii si abilitatile de PR...
Eu, exemple, ce sa spun. Fac foarte foarte putina fotografie comerciala cu clienti din tara. Clientii de afara imi spun exact ce trebuie si cum trebuie sa fac pentru a obtine imaginea ce si-o doresc; arta aici iar o consider nula, trebuie tehnica la micron si multe cunostinte de iluminare, cadrare, abilitati de comunicare cu personajele din cadru, dar asta nu e arta, dupa parerea mea. Arta, pentru mine, e atunci cind te plimbi si cerul e violet si faci o poza pe cimp de plinge lumea si primesti sute de emailuri ca ce stepa dementziala; sau cint respectiva imagine are o forta ascunsa care ma face sa simt oricind mirosul reavan al ierbii si sa aud intotdeauna si pe vecie zgomotul clopotelor satelor din zare.
Pe situl meu la www.fotografu.ro/gct sunt niste imagini facute la comanda trustului Getty Images, Inc; iata cum suna ce trebuia sa fac, adica scenariul exact primit cu doua luni inainte:
- please capture a wide variety of shots, including different versions of the same type of shot. The images are for a brochure for the travel agency about the private train ride available, so all images should include the passengers. There are 100 passengers total but you don't need to photograph all of them, just focus on the people that look good, are not too old, are well dresses and photographic. Also to show how the Program Directors (there should be at least 3) help and guide the passengers through the day. No close-ups of the passengers unless you can tell that they're on the train or touring in Constanta
Photos need to be light and bright in quality. Try to avoid dark deep shades whenever possible. Sharp and deep depth of field images. They do not like blurry or soft looking photos. People in general should appear happy and pleasant.
Clients arriving at private railway station (Bucharest-Baneasa railway station)
Exterior shoots of the train - long and medium angles in relationship the station
Clients boarding the train - long and medium angles
PD's assisting clients throughout the day
Conductor or train personal helping the clients
Interiors of the train w/clients enjoying their ride, socializing,etc.
Interior - cafe car with pax and crew
Interior - PDs talking with pax (may have to set this up)
Arrival - Pax getting off train, exterior of train in station, etc.
In Constanta - general shots of pax taking city tour and scenics of the city, pax walking along the boardwalk and after or before their lunch walking on the black sea.
When returning look for the same type of shots as described above.

Ceea ce am citit am incercat sa pun in pagina exact, cit mai exact.

Pozele au placut clientului si au fost cam ce voia... e arta aici?

Asa ca... dupa parerea mea in fotografie arta e una, stiintza, adica poate meseria, e alta.
Cineva poate sa fie un bun artist dar sa fie incapabil sa faca o poza de buletin; si invers... adica... mai ales invers.
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Saru mina coane Iancule - de Dinu Lazar la: 13/04/2004 10:34:30
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Conu` Iancu este si el iubitor de fotografie si redactor sef la PC Magazine Romania.
In editorialul sau din aprilie a.c. domnia sa spune ca da un premiu pentru cel care descopera ceva greseli in revista domniei sale.
Ce face cu cei care ne inunda cu comicarii, nu spune.
Din pacate, eu la IT sunt relativ cam lemn, dar la fotografie, ar mai merge, pot sa-mi dau macar aproximativ cu parerea.
Si pot sa spun ce cred ca nu e in regula cu articolele si referirile la aparate foto din revista domniei sale.
Pentru ca lista cu erori gogonate e cam lunga, intii si intii sa revenim la frumosii ani de scoala generala si sa ne amintim de niste chestii de cultura generala; acolo, vrind nevrind, se invatza si ceva optica, intr-a shaptea parca; orice elev invata acolo ca lumina ilumineaza un obiect; un sistem de lentile care se numeste obiectiv creeaza o imagine a obiectului; chestia care ajuta la cadrarea obiectului se numeste vizor. Asa a fost sa fie.
Pina acum e simplu, nu?
Se pare ca totusi e prea mult.
La pagina 30, este descris Sony DCS F828; acolo aflam iar de gogomania cu sistemul de lentile care este impresionant; daca spunea obiectiv il durea deshtu` pe domnul Lacraru. Punerea la punct a claritatii este in conceptia dacului respectiv "manual focusus" ; din nou, mai jos, obiectivul e "sistem de lentile -tun" ; vizorul e viewfinder; micul LCD de sus pe care se programeaza funciunile uzuale devine in conceptia autorului un alt vizor ( spune: "o alta metoda de a vizualiza actiunile camerei este si ecranul LCD plasat in partea de sus") Interesant...
Mai jos consecventza dispare; nu mai aflam nimic de lentile si tun; aflam insa de un zoom wide 28 mm; aici treaba e chiar tare, o singura focala are un obiectiv fix, nu un zoom... de la douashopt la cit taica?
Daca e zoom, adica tun, care e lentile, scuzati.
Poate obiectiv pur si simplu?
La prezentarea de la pag 32, iar o ia domnu` Hosu cu lentilele; Olympusu` are lentile 5,7mm-22,9mm; poate diametru?
Oricum aflam ca aici Olympus a imbunatatzit calitatea lentilelor; cum , nu se spune; poate alea vechi erau mai cu shmirghel.
Aici aflam siderati care este: "Camedia fiind posesoarea unor lentile cu zoom wide 4x". Dar lentilele fara zoom cum sunt?
Bomboana pe coliva e viteza de declansare; tineti-va bine, asta "poate lua valori cuprinse intre 1/2000 si 15 secunde".
Tare!!!!!!!!!
Voia sa spuna viteza de expunere, dar a fost declansarea mai rapida la neuronul respectiv.
Pe urma iar mai jos suntem bagati in balarii; "desi nu dispune de cel mai performant obiectiv pe care il au cei de la Olympus" ...
Dar care e cel mai performant tun lentila zoom?
Deci stim sa folosim cuvintul obiectiv, dar... suntem sfiosi.
Cel mai performant obiectiv e mai cu definitie, mai cu contrast, mai cu ce? Performant in raport cu ce?
Dam pagina si aflam o prezentare a domnului Lacraru despre Canon G5.
Acolo, ne suim pe pereti din prima; cica " nici lentilele, realizate chiar de catre Canon, nu beneficiaza de un spatiu prea mare de manevra(tun)"

Tare!

Ca se trage cu tunu cu lentile sau ca ele vor sa danseze si nu e spatiu, nu se mai spune, pentru ca si aici vizorul este viewfinder.
Se mai spune ca modul de lucru al LCD-ului este destul de nou, fiind permise rotatii ale acestuia; pe vremea Canonului G2, G3, autorul era probabil inca la scoala.
Care nu i-a folosit, pentru ca mai jos citim ca obiectivul este "zoom wide 35 mm, zoom tele 140mm" si nu cum ar fi corect zoom 35-140, care nici aia nu ar fi corect, ca aia ar fi distanta focala echivalenta pentru 35mm...
De...

La pagina 27 aflam ca monitorul LG "are o diagonabila vizibila"!!!!!!!!

Mai jos la descrierea aparatului Fuji Finepix, memorarea expunerii si punctului de punere la punct este descrisa evident ditirambic si eronat: " posibilitatea de a bloca focalizarea si expunerea intr-un anumit moment, pentru ca la poze realizate ulterior sa fie folositi acei parametri"

Pai daca sunt blocate cum se mai fac pozele urmatoare?
Sau sunt memorate datele alea?
La pagina 38 se prezinta Corel Graphics si unul din ecranele de referinta e cu poza subsemnatului; multumim de onoare, dar ...
La pagina 134 este o pagina dedicata corectarii pe imagine a efectului de ochi rosii; desi in realitate e o chestie super simpla care se face in doi timpi si trei miscari, au umplut o pagina cu asta; la inceput se spune ca ochii rosii apar datorta folosirii blitului, si ca exista mai multe modalitati de reducere a efectului, dar " experienta a dovedit ca nici una nu este in totalitate eficienta"
Ba da!!!!!!!!
Difuzarea luminii si departarea blitului de axa optica sunt 100% eficiente!!!!!!!!!
Daca chestiile astea par interesante redactiei, sa trimita un abonament domnului Racovitan, care a avut bunavointa sa mentina situl asta pe picioare...sau si mai bine sa puna un banner cu "www.cafeneaua.com" pe situl revitei...daca mai e nevoie mai gasim erori...

Pina la urma, spuneam eu mai jos de Iaroslav Hajek si de schitele sale cu reporterul care scrie din burta despre viata animalelor; pasarea care se aseza pe un nuc devenea nuculeana, cea care statea pe un mar devenea merishorica si cea de pe un prun, prunishoara.
Pai ala era mic copil... zoom, diagonabila, tun, viewfinder... ehehe... vai de limba romana si de profesoru` dintr-a shaptea...
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Constructiv / SB_One - de Ly la: 22/04/2004 11:14:55
(la: cum iti asterni...)
Cum anuntul care a inceput aceasta conferinta este mai degraba Dub-ios decit despre Dub-ai, si cum am vazut ca exista interes in a lucra in regiune, m-am gindit sa localized citeva oferte serioase.

I. Slujba este de General Manager in Saudi Arabia/ Arabia Saudita - pentru Oil & Gas Plant Construction, 1.0 Billion project, Saudi Arabia. Raporteaza Presedintelui Companiei. Se angajaza un national al oricarei tari. Anuntul a fost facut la nivel global.

Salariu: $100K- $150K + Bonus + Negotiable Options + Car + Profit Sharing , Paid Relocation - adica anual (inainte de taxe) $100.000 - $150.000, bonus, optiuni in firma (pentru actiuni) + masina + procent din profitul realizat + mutatul in zona platit de firma.

Detalii despre pozitie:

Reports to: Chairman. It is a Fortune 100 Saudi Conglomerate into the business of Oil & Gas Plant Construction, Scaffolding & Fabrication.

(pozitia este cu un Conglomerat din Arabia Saudita care opereaza in domeniul constructiei de facilitati de productie pentru industria petroliera. - nu traduc cuvint cu cuvint, de lene, dar traduc esentialul...)

Clientii conglomeratului:

Operating in downstream construction for the last 40 years, the major clientele include Saudi Aramco, SABIC, Saudi Fertilizer Company etc.

Candidatul ideal va avea:

IDEAL CANDIDATE WILL HAVE (IT IS A MUST - NO ONE WITHOUT THE SAME WILL BE CONSIDERED)

1. Preferably Middle East exposure (de preferat experienta anterioara in Arabia Saudita. DE PREFERAT dar vor considera si alti candidati)

2. Be an Engineer, preferably with an MBA (sa fie un inginer cu cunostiinte de economie/ afaceri, preferabil cu un MBA)

3. Must have Oil & Gas Plant Construction exposure - This is a Must - No other Oil/Gas/Energy experience will be considered. TREBUIE (aici e o c erinta ferma) sa aiba experienta sau expunere precedenta in constructia unei fabrici in domeniul petrolier.

4. Exposure in dealing with Saudi Aramco, ADNOC etc will be preferred / Se prefera cei care au mai lucrat cu Saudi Aramco si ADNOC de unde deducem ca postul s-ar putea sa fie cu ei sau o constructie pentru ei.

5. Must have moved up from a Project Managerial/Construction position to a General Managerial/COO/Managing Director/CEO position, preferably attaining the highest position at a very young age. / TREBUIE sa fi evoluat de la o pozitie de manager de proiecte spre o pozitie de manager si preferabil sa fi ajuns in pozitia respectiva la o virsta foarte tanara. Ei aici baiatii vor pe cineva cu un Oscar la construit fabrici ceea ce nu cred sa gasesca asa ca nu m-as intimida de cerinta asta. As traduce asta cu am prefera pe cineva cu multa energie si dornic sa reuseasca.

6. Must be profit oriented & must have shown dramatic results for previous firms worked for. / Mda, din nou the Star of the Oil & Gas industry is required. Deci trebuie sa vrea sa obtina profit si sa aiba rezultate dramatice aici. Aici din nou, cind iei ceva de la zero si cu suport sunt sanse serioase pentru a face afacerea profitabila. Deci nu m-as intimida aici.

7. Must be well versed with Construction Management & maintenance Management related to Oil & Gas industry. / Trebuie sa aiba experienta serioasa in managementul constructiei si intretinerii in industrial petroliera.

CONTACT pentru slujba / unde se trimite CV sau cu cine se vorbeste:

Mr. Jei Matt, Synergy; PO Box 5281; Abu Dhabi, UAE ZZ 5281

(am si telefonul dar as prefera sa nu-l pun aici.)

Anuntul este adevarat si serios si a fost distribuit pe o lista dedicata celor din management sau la un anumit nivel intr-o profesie. S-a platit pentru distribuirea lui. Nu sunt in petrol si gaz dar sunt meserii cu care se poate lucra in orice tip de firma, asa ca mai primesc si asemenea anunturi.

II. vedeti : http://search2.workopolis.com/jobshome/db/work.res_list?pi_sort_col=POST_DATE&pi_search_id=394144594&pi_page_no=1&pi_msg=&pi_gam_date=&pi_page_id=P5 - toate sunt anunturi de slujbe pentru Emirate.

III. Cere si ti se va raspunde. M-am decis sa-mi dedic o pauza de prinz si sa sap putin in povestea asta cu Dubai. Adica sa vad posturile reale de acolo si sa identific lista de recrutori din Dubai. Cu un telefon, un calculator si ceva cunoscuti si cunostiinte se poate. DECI LISTA FIRMELOR DE RECRUTARE DE PERSONAL IN DUBAI ESTE LA ADRESA

http://www.nellaieruvadi.com/jobs/dxbrecruiters.asp

NAME OF AGENCY P.O.BOX TEL.
(009714-Dubai
009712-Abu Dhabi ) E mail Address/Fax/Website

A & B
AAC International 24077 3314488 -
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ABC Recruitment, Abu Dhabi 27495 009712-6768558 abcuae@emirates.net.ae
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Arabian Island Recruitment 6787 3378791 -
AISBS - 2227434 webmaster@netcom-me.com
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Bayt.Com Inc 27819 3911900 www.bayt.com
Better Business Bureau 8822 3322252 -
Bin Eid Admin. Services 5455 06-5368144 bineid@emirates.net.ae
06-5368144
Business Aid Centre ME (BAC) 8743 3375747 recruit@bacdubai.com
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C & D
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Care Group, Abu Dhabi 44393 009712-6317081 carefor@emirates.net.ae
009712-6336858
Career Emirates.com - - www.careeremirates.com

Careerline Recruitment & Trng 40428 3511426 rajan@careerlinedubai.com
Century Recruitment Services 13661 2688700
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SI LISTA CONTINUA ALFABETIC. Tot alfabetul.

Nu mai pun aici un alt anunt pe care l-am primit. O Organizatie Non-Guvernamentala cauta un sef de misiune in Irak. Dar nu cred ca le aveti cu auto-apararea cu Kalasnikovul daca e cazul asa ca slujba aia nu o mai listez.

Bafta baieti (si fete) si zice-ti-mi si mie ce ati facut. Si INVITATI-MA SI LA UN GOLF, CRICKET, POLO :))) - (desi cu polo de apa nu cred ca sunt prea multe sanse). Dar apusul soarelui in desert se pare ca e spectaculos asa ca nu fac mofturi. :))

Promit sa-mi placa ...vila de la malul marii. :))

Acum ca am facut o fapta buna urati-mi si mie numai bine, la multi bani si locuri bune sa pot ajuta si pe altii....

Bafta ! :)))
Fratilor - de Dinu Lazar la: 13/05/2004 15:32:46
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Fratilor mei fotografi, care dau cu citeala pe aici uneori da` nu scriu un rind pen`ca ii doare deshtu pe tastatura, le transmit mesajul unui amic de pe o lista de discutii; cine are urechi de auzit, sa inteleaga, cine nu, asta e...

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Love him or hate him, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld provided a powerful endorsement for the value of photographs during his Congressional testimony this week. When asked why earlier written warnings of prisoner abuse issued by the International Red Cross hadn't stirred the same response as the recent photos have, Rumsfeld replied, "It's the photographs that gives one the vivid realization of what actually took place . . . words don't do it."
An official with Amnesty International (whose name I didn't catch) was also recorded saying, "pictures are crucial for getting the public turned on to the story."

Remember these words the next time an editor asks you to sign away your copyright, offers you a token sum because, "it won't run very large" or, "we NEVER pay more than that," or tries to tell you that they can probably just
find something from stock to "fill the space." Human beings' ability to
draw pictures predates our ability to read and write by tens, even hundreds, of thousands of years. And even in this age of image overload and digital everything, photographs still remain one of the most powerful forms of communication.

Go out and make good images, and don't let anyone diminish their value.
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Spiderman - de Little Eagle la: 15/05/2004 00:45:37
(la: SUFLETUL ESTE NEMURITOR)
Dear brother,

Daca vei citi un text ce am scris la subiectul lui Daniel"Singuratatea a devenit o boala rusinoasa"vei gasi destule raspunsuri la intrebarea ta ce mi-o pui.

Cind incepe existenta unui suflet?Incepe in momentul cind Creatorul(God,Dumnezeu,Marele Spirit etern)vrea sa se cunoasca pe sine si vrea sa se recunoasca in Creatia lui,vrea sa traiasca personal prin orice manifestare a creatiei lui=vrea sa fie parte din ea.Este misiunea lui de a fi mereu cu ea si prin ea.

Daca tu plingi ,Creatorul va plinge cu tine,daca esti fericit ,el va fi fericit,daca
suferi,va suferi cu tine alaturi.Trebuie sa gindesti in tine adevarul,sa-l simti si daca vei plinge,lacrimile tale sunt stelele pe cer,daca vei rade va fi soarele zimbind tie si lumii intregi,razele lui iti vor da puterea de a birui orice obstacole.

Nimeni nu declanseaza un proces anume al reincarnarilor decit Dumnezeu insusi si daca trebuie sa suferi in o anume viata,accepta suferinta pt. ca e o lectie pe drumul tau catre el.Daca ai tot ce crezi ca este fericire ,fi blessed,dar
nu uita ca altii nu au soarta ta si atunci,daca esti elevat spiritual,vei gindi la ei,si vei ajuta cit de mult poti si neaparat din suflet=toti avem acelasi suflet,daca o faci din alte interese,egotistice,sa n-o faci.

God himself,the Great Spirit s-a creat pe sine insusi din dorinta de a se cunoaste si descoperi pe sine insusi.Stiu ca pare ceva straniu,dar intr-o viata anume vei afla.Eu nu pot spune in care,este viata ta si drumul tau ce-l vei urma singur,te vei descoperi cindva si vei fi mai intelept decit azi,cert este ca el e in tine si cu tine mereu si el insusi traieste toate experientele tale,asa se recunoaste prin tine si nu doar prin tine,dar prin toata Creatia lui.
Sa afli raspunsuri la intrrebarile tale ,poate azi nu le vei gasi,dar e posibil sa le afli miine sau niciodata,cert este ca vei invata multe in aceasta viata si ceea ce ai acumulat ca experiente,te vor ajuta in cea viitoare,sa te descoperi si mai mult si sa inveti mai mult de la tine si Creatorul ce exista prin tine.

Eu nu sunt un intelept si drumul vietii e greu de explicat cind fiecare din noi are o poteca a lui anume,nu pot calca pe ea,o respect chiar daca este o poteca gresita,de ce?Pt. ca nu-mi pot impune vointa sau gindurile mele si credinta mea nimanui.
Singur vei afla ce este la capatul drumului,si este al tau si numai al tau doar.

Ce-ti pot spune este experienta mea si asta nicidecum nu inseamna ca stiu totul.Marele Spirit are un drum prin fiecare din noi,la fel cum noi vrem sa ajungem la el,el insusi vrea sa ajunga la el prin experienta de a fi o persoana unica si in acelasi timp diversificata in toate formele Creatiei lui.

God ,Marele Spirit si Creator a facut o gluma pe propria lui piele si acum,de milioane de ani este incatusat in ea.Sufera pt. ca o iubeste,el, insusi este mereu in mijlocul ei si trece prin orice fel de existente ale evolutiei ce stim.

Important insa e dragostea,si chiar fiind uneori impura ne leaga intre noi,e o lectie ce inca o invatam zilnic.
Sufletul isi are drumul lui scris deja,nu-l putem controla,este soarta.Ea declanseaza acest drum.Unii se ratacesc,dar vor reveni de unde au plecat.
Altii il vad dar e ca in ceata si au sansa de a se rataci si ei,altii,f. putini cred ca l-au gasit...altii si mai putini sunt aproape dar inca departe....
Iar altii,f. rari ajung la capat.

NU uita niciodata sa fii un great warrior in orice situatii,fi brav my brother nu te uita in stanga si dreapta,vezi-ti de drum cu ochii deschisi si sufletul deschis.
NIMENI NU te va invinge.Si lasa reincarnarea in mainile Marelui Spirit,el insusi trebuie sa se redescopere ,si o face in fiecare clipa prin tine.
Nu minti si nu insela pe nimeni,fi sincer cu tine si cu cei din jur,iubeste Creatia pt. ca ea este Dumnezeu si gindeste ca biserica lui este in tine si in jurul tau.
Vei gasi singur raspunsul la intrebarile tale,love is all you need!

Love&peace,
Ozzy

I love you my brother,be good and don't worry,be happy.May that the Great Spirit will be always with you to guide your path to wisdom like an eagle.





































































































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...cred ca ai o parere gresita... - de (anonim) la: 24/05/2004 07:40:11
(la: Castigati 1 milion de euro. Ce veti alege: Romania sau occident?)
Eu traiesc in Uk de mai bine de vreo 5 si jumatate. As fi fost de acord cu ce ai spus despre extremisti, dar pina intr-o zi cind intimplator am dat peste o carte intitulata "Small Romanian turistic Guide" care a fost publicat de catre unul cetatean roman de origine maghiara casatorit cu o cetateanca britanica. Felul in care a fost prezentat acel ghid turistic si perceptia pe care ti-o da este ca romanii sint ocupanti de sute de ani pe pa pamint maghiar, mai mult mai toate localitatile din Ardeal se zice in acel ghid turistic le-au fost schimbate denumirile cu titluri romanesti, lasind sa se vada ca de fapt Ardealul nu este nuimic altceva decit un loc unde romanii sau salashluit pe pamint maghiar (adica mai precis austro-ungaria). Mi-a venit scirba sa vad cum anumiti cetateni maghiari de origine romana fac publicitate in VEST afirmint ca Ardealul esta pamint maghiar si nu romanes. Cum se numeste acest lucru?? Cum sa reactionezi in fata acestor nemernici??? Acest cetatean acum britanic de origine maghiara-romana trebuie penalizat aspru de tot pt. toate afirmatiile facute..Este o jignire totala la adresa poporului roman...Daca am sa reusec voi incerc sa trimit aceasta carte in tara...iar pe cel ce a scris-o sa plateasca despagubiri morale...poporului roman.
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. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

#16999 (raspuns la: #16994) comenteaza . modifica . semnaleaza adminului
ikoflexer vs anita47... LMC = arbitru - de LMC la: 30/06/2004 21:43:05
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
Why don't we consider it a draw before it gets too bloddy. If we continue to drag it on and on we'll get nowhere. Let's shake hands and blow kisses. I'll raise both your hands in the air and call you winners. Ozzy will bring the flowers. :-) :-) :-)
#17085 (raspuns la: #17082) comenteaza . modifica . semnaleaza adminului
am sa incep cu tine fiindca raspunsul tau ma bucura mult. ori nu ti-ai dat seama din neatentie, ori n-ai vrut sa intelegi substratul, cert e ca ai dat raspunsul pe care voiam sa-l aud de la altii. te mira? felul cum am condus discutia dintre mine si unii de aici, insinuarile mai mult sau mai putin ascunse, toate la un loc "au cerut" niste pareri conforme cu realitatile trecute sau actuale dintr-o istorie cam ambigua in destul de multe locuri. daca vei citi mai cu atentie ce am scris despre retragerea aureliana corelata cu problema tiganilor, poate vei intelege ca exact asta am vrut sa zic: dacii n-au fost niciodata asimilati, asa cum fortat se invata, iar tiganii n-au fost nici ei asimilati de romani fiindca am impresia ca de fapt se petrece exact invers- romanii se lasa asmilati in traditii si apucaturi de tigani!!! este doar o teorie, nu tin neaparat sa o demonstrez fiindca numai si gandul imi creaza repulsie.
pt. mine, unul, sincer iti spun ca nu este o blasfemie sa stiu ca stramosii mei sunt din neam tare si neinfricat ca al geto-dacilor. se cunoaste destul de bine, cred, ca romanii aveau tabieturi din cele mai desfranate si ca sincretismul religios era religie de stat, religie care totusi n-a permis in cultul ei si pe acel Zalmoxis/Zamolxis al dacilor ocupati. dimpotriva, odata cu cucerirea partii din Dacia nu numai ca n-a fost permis acest cult pt. zeul numit, dar s-a si interzis deplin a se mai pomeni de el. de ce? ce aveau romanii impotriva unui zeu ca acesta cand se obisnuisera deja de multa vreme sa imprumute de la altii tot felul de culte de zei straini? noi stim de ce, la fel cum au stiut-o si romanii la vremea aceea.
asadar blasfemia pe care o vad eu vine din partea celor care ar fi trebuit pana acum sa se ridice si sa spuna cu curaj ca ISTORIA NOASTRA E MISTIFICATA CU BUNA STIINTA!!! un sir neintrerupt de minciuni gogonate si sfruntate au fost infatisate ca realitati. de aceea nici nu gasim referiri la tiganii din Romania in manuale. care e interesul, poate va intrebati. intrebati-va in continuare, la fel ca mine. exista ipoteze conform carora spatiul in care au trait geto-dacii este leaganul civilizatiei europene, prin urmare nu dacii au fost "europenizati" prin venirea romanilor; si ca de fapt romanii sunt din acelasi sange cu dacii... explicatia pare logica in acest caz: cineva, undeva, vrea ca noi sa stim o istorie mincinoasa pt. a nu ne cere drepturile pe care le avem. in felul acesta suntem si mai usor de condus, nu-i asa, spre anumite scopuri financiare si politice. nu insist prea mult, probabil ca de aici incolo se vor mai gasi destui care sa abordeze aceasta tema. asa ca astept.
just me
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enigma lu enigmescu: tiganizare versus romanizare - de AlexM la: 02/07/2004 13:30:59
(la: "TIGANIADA"- o istorie nestiuta si improprie poporului roman?)
Enigmescu scrise:
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daca vei citi mai cu atentie ce am scris despre retragerea aureliana corelata cu problema tiganilor, poate vei intelege ca exact asta am vrut sa zic: dacii n-au fost niciodata asimilati, asa cum fortat se invata, iar tiganii n-au fost nici ei asimilati de romani fiindca am impresia ca de fapt se petrece exact invers- romanii se lasa asmilati in traditii si apucaturi de tigani!!!
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eu doar dadui cate un punct de reper din sursele istorice care nu se arata la scoala. Cine vrea sa inteleaga "romanizarea" trebuie sa se duca departe, hat hat hat, departe de tot, pana la Nicolae Olahus. Invatasnd despre acest om, vazand drumurile sale precum si relatiile sale cu iluministii epocii, intelegand doleantele regilor ungari de origine olaha precum si clica de iluministi italieni adusi de acestia la curtea din Buda, unul o sa inceapa sa inteleaga care e de fapt jucaria cu aceasta romanizare a dacilor.

Realitatea este ca o asimilare de popoare in alt popor este cunoscuta in numai in epoca moderna, unde mijloacele deosebite ale statului precum si technica informationala au permis statelor nationale sa asimileze in limba statului respectiv mai mult decat ar fi fost posibil in orice alta epoca. De fapt, de la caderea Imperiului Otoman a inceput acest curent si uite ca chiar si acum , dupa 126 de ani de la caderea acestui Imperiu, inca mai exista in statele nationale minoritati. Adica asimilarea nu e completa.

Faptul ca dacii au fost asimilati a fost sustinut continuu prin teorema paralelismului. Daca celtii s-au lasat asimilati de ce sa nu se fi lasat asimilati Dacii? Daca Umbrii si Oscii ( ca sa notam numai cele mai mari grupari lingvistice din peninsula Italica) si-au abandonat limba in favoarea Latinei, de ce sa nu o fi facut-o dacii?
Cam asa se argumenteaza de câmpul romanist. Ce se uita cu placere este ca nici francezii si nici un alt popor neoromanic nu vorbeste azi latina ci ei vorbesc nishte idiomuri in ar caror lexic exista cuvinte care, dupa un set de reguli fonetice pot fi considerate ca deriva din Latina.
Aparent nimeni nu si-a parasit limba pentru ca asta ar presupune:
-uitarea vechiului idiom
-invatarea limbii latine cu pastrarea unor cuvinte din vechiul idiom
-uitarea limbii latine
-trecerea la un nou idiom cu pastrarea unor cuvinte din latina si vechiul idiom.

Pentru toate acestea insa , timpul pare prea scurt si nu prea ar permite realizarea lor. 2000 de ani sint al naibii de putin daca ne gandim la alti factori comparativi. Se face mereu comparatia intre Italiana si Româna care in cadrul limbilor "surori", romanice, Italiana si Româna au un statut aparte ca fiind limbi "gemene" pana la un anume punct. Aici se uita ceva si acel ceva este limba Aromâna. De ce este acest lucru important? Este important pentru ca prin Aromâna se poate stabili oarecum data despartirii limbii Aromâne de DacoRomâna. Si aici sint vehiculate 2 date posibile pentru despartirea lor. Dupa unii scolari limbile s-au despartit in sec VI EN imediat dupa venirea Slavilor iar dupa altii limba Aromâna s-a despartit in sec X dupa venirea Maghiarilor, acestia fiind de fapt cei care i-au mânat pe Aromâni din locurile lor originare care ar fi fost Campia Panoniei.
Acum , exista intre aceste doua date o diferenta de 400 de ani. Noi vrem sa lasam cat mai mult timp limbii Latine sa devina limba Italiana si limba Româna, ca atare noi nu vom lua ca posibil punct de despartire sec VI dar luam sec X. Prin asta lasam limba Latina sa aibe mult timp sa devina Româna si Italiana si ne facem ca uitam ca in sec VI Justinian afirma clar ca cetatenii Imperiului Bizantin nu intelegeau lb. Latina iar urmasul sau, Heraklion a trecut la fapte in sec VII punand legal limba greaka ca fiind limba Imperiului.
Noa bun asa. Deci in sec X cand s-au despartit limbile Aromâna de DacoRomâna (zicem noi) aceasta limba numita ProtoRomâna era totusi al naibii de diferita de Italina. Cart de diferita? Pai ceva mai diferita decat este astazi Româna de Italiana dpdv lexical dar la fel de diferita ca si azi dpdv gramatical si morfologic . Acceptand ca Latina a devenit Româna si Italiana, atunci cand comparam Italiana cu Româna trebuie obligatoriu sa ne intrebam:
-cum crucea, mama , soarele si fierul de 1000 de ani limba Aromâna a ramas totusi aceasi limba ca DacoRomâna ele fiind practic dialecte ale aceeasi limbi dar in cateva sute de ani s-au format limbile Italiene si Româna?
-ce facem daca data de despartire este intradevar sec VI cand Justinian spunea ca nimeni nu mai intelegea latina atunci cand stim ca in 275 Dacii inca mai vorbeau propriul lor Idiom?
Pai asta inseamna ca in 200 de ani de retragere s-a intamplat romanizarea? De la 275 pana la 555 canv venira Slavii si sub marea urgie a hunilor s-a facut romanizarea? Daca nu , cand ? Inainte de retragere? Pai stim ca aia mai vorbeau limba lor si ca retragerea imperiului a fost in mare parte datorata de Razboaiele Marcomane care au durat cam 80 de ani si care au distrus toata viata citadina in Dacia. Mai stim ca imediat dupa MareaVoitaNumitaRetragere care fu de fapt numai un schimb de garnizoana, spatiul care era numit DaciaAntica au fostu luat in stapanire de Goti. Care au bantuit si au stat si la Nord si la Sud de Dunare.
Dubios, dubios, dubios.

de fapt nu este dubios. Este numai un model care a fost gandit si prin el s-a cautat sa se explice realitatea. Asta nu inseamna ca realitatea asa a fost ci numai ca asa a fost explicata.

cu bine,

Lisandru

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Daniel - de Little Eagle la: 06/07/2004 23:59:19
(la: De ce sexul in public e dezaprobat?)
Bro,

Am unul pt. tine si la fel pt. toti din Cafenea,fete,baieti,religiosi si atei,orbi si deschisi la minte,politicieni si aiuriti(ca mine)si NU mai e nevoie de scris nimic in plus,cel putin pe moment...nici nu stiu daca sa scriu ...cine a compus versurile si muzica acestui cantec.....?Pt. ca nu as crede ca exista cineva in lume care sa nu -l fi ascultat...:

"You need coolin'baby,I'm not foolin'
I'm gonna send you back to schoolin'
Way down inside,honey,you need it,
I'm gonna give you my love,
I'm gonna give you my love.

Wanna whole lotta love
Wanna whole lotta love'
Wanna whole lotta love,
Wanna whole lotta love?

You've been learnin',baby,I've been learnin'
All them good times,baby,baby,I've been yearnin'
Way,way down inside honey,you need it,
I'm gonna give you my love,
I'm gonna give you my love.

Chorus

You've been coolin',baby,I've been droolin',
All the good times I've been misusin'
Way,way down inside,you need it,
I'm gonna give you every inch of my love,
Gonna give you my love.

Chorus

Way down inside...woman...you need love,
Shake for me girl,I wanna be your backdoor man
Keep it coolin',baby..
...................................................................................
Robert Plant-Vocals+words
Jimmy Page-guitars
John Bonham-drums
John Paul Johnes-bass,keyboards

Led Zeppelin II
.....................................................................................
Love&peace,
Ozzy

Have a drink on me,draw some lines and put them in the nose,you'll feel good
maybe put the needle in???And have a dream on me...get stonned have a joint,keep on smoking....Mr. Jones...





































Obiective (pardon, lens).... - de Ioan Ciobotaru la: 09/07/2004 13:06:20
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Revin, asa cum am promis, la cartea citita de amic.
Lucrarea se numeste "Fotografia digitala", autor Steven Greenberg si este publicata la editura BIC ALL in traducerea lui Ovidiu Slavu. Face parte din colectia de succes "The complete idiot's guide".
Spicuiesc la intamplare:

- in afara cazului in care doriti sa revolutionati arta fotografica, aveti nevoie de lentila;
- daca doriti sa stiti mai multe despre o lentila maritoare (zoom lens) noua...priviti prin lentila!
- in interiorul lentilei, de obicei intre seturile optice, se afla un iris, numit si apertura, care regleaza cantitatea de lumina ce trece prin lentila;
- diafragma controleaza durata expunerii filmului la lumina;
- lentilele care pot fi focalizate contin mai multe elemente optice;
- in afara cazului in care camera foto are o lentila cu focalizare fixa, probabil, foloseste un mecanism de autofocalizare;
- lentilele telescopice au distanta focala mare, de aceea sunt numite lentile lungi;
- o lentila cu zoom contine multe grupuri optice, care se schimba intre ele...
Si, atentie: - pentru camerele simple aveti la dispozitie doua tipuri de obiective: 1. majoritatea camerelor are incorporat un ecran LCD care arata ce vede lentila. 2. in camera poate fi incorporat un obiectiv optic simplu, care in lipsa ecranului LCD este singura posibilitate de a vedea subiectul...

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#17549 (raspuns la: #17539) comenteaza . modifica . semnaleaza adminului
Foto pt. Horia D - de LMC la: 22/07/2004 19:46:11
(la: Casuta Postala A Lui LMC)
Si eu a trebuit sa o modific. Poza era mult mai mare. Nici eu nu ma prea pricep la manipulari de imagini dar vad ca de data asta mi-a mers. Am modificat-o in Corel Photo House, programul care-mi deschide toate pozele .JPEG sau .TIF sau .BMP. M-am dus apoi la Image Properties si acolo am schimbat rezolutia si marimea imaginii. Dar sint sigura sa se mai poate si altcumva. Sper sa-ti fie de folos.

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Teoria Conspiratiei? - de spirit_intelept la: 02/08/2004 14:54:40
(la: Gregorian Bivolaru - MISA, guru şi servicii secrete)
Constat cu uimire ca un forum pe care nu credeam ca se mai posteaza, redevine brusc activ. E interesant ca aceasta reactivare apare chiar inainte de Simpozionul International de Yoga Costinesti 2004, care se desfasoara pe perioada 1 August - 1 Septembrie. Aceasta "reintetire a focului" este corelata cu aparitia in mai multe ziare si posturi de televiziune simultan, chiar pe 1 august, a unor articole despre Grieg.
Ca sa nu fiu totusi acuzat de "teoria conspiratiei" si paranoia, am sa va fac o prezicere si, daca viitorul o sa o confirme, inseamna ca am dreptate, argumentele fiind valabile.
Dupa cum probabil se stie, in septembrie au loc conferintele de deschidere a cursurilor de yoga. Ca un facut, in aceasta perioada, toata mass-media si alte persoane "de buna credinta" se trezesc sa-si uneasca vocile pt a condamna "faptele antisociale" din cadrul MISA. Evident nici una dintre aceste persoane cand este intrebata nu recunoastte ca a actionat impreuna cu altii, dar cu toate acestea sunt chiar fraze intregi care sunt identice la diverse ziare sau posturi tv.
Chiar se pare ca in Romania unele mijloace massmedia au clarviziune, incat se stia de dinainte cine vor fi judecatori si procurori la procesul lui Grieg. Cand au fost exploziile din apartamentul lui, la o ora tarzie din noapte, a doua zi au aparut in toate ziarele articole despre "materiale porno imprastiate de explozie in tot cartierul", desi editia ziarelor era deja inchisa in acel moment. Deci este clar ca ceva se stia de dinainte. Si mai pot da asemenea exemple de "clarviziune".
Toate aceste atacuri jalnice urmeaza acelasi tipar: o lovitura puternica, data pe neasteptate si care se vrea decisiva. Aceasta lovitura este simultana cu atacuri din massmedia asa zis "independenta" si din partea parintilor indurerati deoarece "copii" lor majori, practica yoga. MISA nu are drept la replica si in aproape toate emisiunile in care au aparut yoghini in acelasi timp aparea un numar dublu de defaimatori.
Chiar pe anumite posturi TV, cum ar fi Realitatea TV sau Pro TV aproximativ 80% din emisiuni erau DOAR cu persoane anti-misa sau cand un yoghin era chemat, era chemat singur in fata a 3 opozanti de cele mai diferite profesii (medici, preoti, "yoghini", etc...). Va dati seama ca nu este posibil pt o singura persoana sa sustina cu argumente specifice atatea domenii de activitate.
De fapt aceste emisiuni/articole se desfasoara intr-un mod jalnic, fara argumente si in mod clar fara impartialitate din partea moderatorului care se vede cum incearca sa smulga prin toate mijloacele marturii incriminatorii de la cei prezenti. E uimitoare o asemenea lipsa de profesionalism la niste membrii ai presei care se pretind ziaristi de investigatii, impartiali, etc. Chiar imi amintesc cazul unei ziariste de la Ziua care pe Realitatea TV spunea pe un ton foarte revoltat urmatoarea fraza: "s-au gasit la perchezitii substante de plante din Yemen care culmea, erau legale in Romania". Aberatia acestei fraze m-a facut sa izbucnesc in ras...pai cum adica draga doamna, mai nou yoghinii trebuie condamnati ca fac efortul de a aduce remedii naturale din alte tari si care remedii sunt perfect legale pt administrare oriunde in lume?. Cum ar fi atunci cu o lista de cateva zeci de aditivi alimentari "E-uri" foarte toxici, care in Romania sunt permisi a fi consumati, pe cand in alte tari sunt de mult timp interzisi? Ar fi mult mai util pt populatie daca ati face un articol despre acestea.
Tot in massmedia si in justitie apar ultima perioada si alte fapte uimitoare si anume:
- pe Antena 1 (1 aug) se spune ca Grieg este dat in urmarire generala pentru: relatii sexuale cu o minora, evaziune fiscala si tentativa de trecere frauduloasa a frontierei de stat. Este evident cum se incearca culpabilizarea in ochii populatiei a acestuia. Ca sa fim corecti, el este dat in urmarire doar pentru intretinere relatii sexuale cu o minora...si probabil este singurul din lume care este in asa hal haituit pt asa ceva. La acuzatia de trecere frauduloasa a frontierei s-a renuntat inca inainte de inceperea actiunii penale, tribunalul Arad nevrand sa faca asta iar cei de la Bucuresti nici atat, fiindca inscenarea era mult prea evidenta. Iar de evaziune fiscala Grieg nu a fost niciodata acuzat, fiindca el nu are firme sau alte ectivitati comerciale cu exceptia cartilor pe care le publica. Aceste carti sunt publicate in mod legal, prin edituri care isi onoreaza obligatiile fiscale.
- Un instructor de yoga care este profesor universitar si la care in urma unei perchezitii i s-au confiscat bunuri personale, este chemat la Bucuresti dupa 3 luni de zile sa asiste la deschiderea cutiilor sigilate in care i-au fost confiscate bunurile. Cu toate acestea in perioada anterioara, din aceste cutii sigilate de catre politie au aparut in presa materiale personale, care numai acolo existau, si care urmareau sa-l incrimineze.
- Exact cand a avut loc perchezitia in apartamentul lui Grieg, acesta a fost acostat pe strada de un echipaj al politiei si dus la sectie "pt un control de rutina". Cand a venit avocatul, fara alte explicatii a fost lasat liber. Dar, in acelasi timp la el acasa i se facea perchezitie.
- Cand completul de 3 judecatoare delibera asupra mandatului de arestare preventiva emis pe numele lui Grieg, in sala in care acestea deliberau si in care in mod normal nu are voie sa intre nimeni, a intrat chiar presedinta trbunalului si care a ramas cu aceste judecatoare pana la sfarsitul deliberarilor.
- Surse din massmedia si politie spun ca pe durata Simpozionului de la Costinesti vor fi si diversi agitatori (de ex o persoana care era fotografiata nud pe plaja in timp ce facea posturi yoga cat mai exhibitioniste si care probabil o sa apara in presa), tot cu scopul de a se compromite cat mai mult MISA.
As mai putea continua aceasta lista cu implicarea guvernului si chiar a lui Adrian Nastase si alti ministri in scandal, dar cred ca deja v-am oferit o imagine mai complexa despre ce inseamna "scandalul" MISA.
In final, ca sa revin la predictia mea, va pot spune de pe acum ca si pe durata Simpozionului de la Costinesti, si in toamna la deschiderea cursurilor de yoga si in alte perioade mai importante pt yoghini veti vedea asemenea atacuri simultane la adresa MISA in toata massmedia "independenta" si cu ajutorul "societatii civile". Nu se aduc argumente si cu atat mai mult nu exista nici un fel de proba in justitie (daca ar fi existat asa ceva, demult am fi fost inchisi), dar se incearca discreditarea MISA si a cursantilor yoga prin aruncarea cu noroi asupra lor, pe ideea ca "o minciuna repetata sfarseste prin a deveni adevar".
V-am spus toate acestea in speranta ca unii dintre voi, de buna credinta dar care ati fost indusi in eroare de propaganda concertata anti-misa, veti cunoaste astfel cu adevarat si cealalta parte a lucrurilor.

Spirit Intelept
Multam de idei! - de Legally_Blonde la: 24/08/2004 19:51:56
(la: Ultima carte)
Dragilor, am strins deja o lista de carti de care n-am stiut dar acum e musai sa le citesc :-). Ca sa ma "recompensez" as vrea sa adaug si eu modesta mea lista din ultimile doua luni. E o lista cam amestecata, cu diferite subiecte trecind din realitate in fantezie si chiar SF dar am "flaminzit" multa vreme si acum le inghit fara discriminare.

Inca neterminata : "The mists of Avalon" de Marion Zimmer Bradley. O perspectiva absolut diferita a legendei regelui Arthur. Am inca sentimente impartite despre ea, este bine scrisa dar pe alocuri un pic tributara unor stereotipuri.

"Oryx and Crake" de Margaret Atwood. Excelenta! Atwood scrie exceptional de bine, nu are idei super noi dar interpretarea ei este captivanta. O alta carte a ei extrem de buna este "Alias Grace". Le recomand pe ambele cu caldura.

"Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister" si "Wicked: the life and times of the Wicked Witch of the West" de Gregory Maguire. Dupa cum spun si titlurile, aceste carti prezinta noi perspective ale povestilor din copilarie (Cenusereasa si Vrajitorul din Oz) dar nu au nimic de a face cu povestile, sunt niste romane minunate scrise cu umor si o usoara doza de amaraciune la felul in care o poveste se poate transforma in timp. Dupa mine este cam in acelasi fel in care mari oameni politici sunt perceputi de contemporanii lor si mai tirziu de generatiile mai tinere.

"Life of Pi" de Yann Martel. Mi-a placut atit de mult incit nici nu o pot comenta, sunt mult prea plina de ea. Daca aveti ocazia cititi-o, e tot ce pot sa spun.

"Mara and Dann" de Doris Lessing. Un alt exemplu de subiect plasat in viitor care nu are insa nimic de a face cu SF-ul clasic. Minunat scrisa.

Pentru anonim #20053. Omule, Brussolo este hipnotic, nu as sfatuii pe nimeni sa citeasca o intreaga serie odata. Daca vrei sa "te vindeci" dar sa ramii in registrul SF iti recomand " The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy" de D. Adams. Este doctoria perfecta.

Cu bine!
L_B



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