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Puddle of Mud - de Guinevere la: 13/04/2006 19:44:54
(la: Muzica)
She Hates Me (Puddle of Mud)
Ascult de-astea cu hatred si simt invers, ca fara intortocheli parca nu merge. :o)

Si-un pic bla-bla:
The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.


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The Great Beyond - de Alina Momanu la: 29/09/2003 02:18:21
(la: Marele Eveniment)
E o promisiune, un pact facut cu sine insusi intr-o lume ciuntita in care esenta frumusetii s-a pierdut si in care numai suferinta a ramas, ca marturie ca viata inca mai exista, chiar si asa, pe dos.
Dar se va intampla la apus, martea viitoare. Nu maine, nu poimanine ci int-o MARTI, mai tarziu decat "in curand". Si apusul n-a fost niciodata simbolul Renasterii.
Va fi o calatorie aici, se va intampla Marea Trecere spre Dicolo.
Dar ...ia asculta-aici:
"Dance me to your beauty with a burning violin
...We’re both of us beneath out love, we’re both of us above
Dance me to the end of love..."
Pentru cel care isi plateste chiria in fiecare zi in The Tower of Song, fericirea e "dincolo", fericirea e un sfarsit.
Metafora unui vis...
"Dance me to the children, wh - de Daniel Racovitan la: 29/09/2003 09:23:43
(la: Marele Eveniment)
"Dance me to the children, who are askin' to be born / Dance me to the curtains, that our kisses have outworn / Dance me with your naked eye, be my homeward dove / And dance me, to the end of love" (citat aproximativ, din memorie)

"Dance me to the end of love" un cantec despre statornicia in dragoste pana la moarte. Videoclipul: fotografii de nunta din tinerete, vechi de zeci de ani, alternand cu imaginile unor batrani tinandu-se de mana pe culoarele unei case de batrani...

Versul "Dance me to their beauty, where they're burning violins" e o aluzie la crematoriile din lagarele naziste, la intrarea carora erau pusi detinutii sa cante la violoncele piese de camera, in timp ce nenorocitii erau arsi...

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Bene sh-atata ...oricum ...mult! - de Alice la: 01/12/2003 13:46:48
(la: Cohen)
D-aia uite:

"What is a saint? A saint is someone who has achieved a remote human possibility. It is impossible to say what that possibility is. I think it has something to do with the energy of love. Contact with this energy results in the exercise of a kind of balance in the chaos of existence. A saint does not dissolve the chaos; if he did the world would have changed long ago. I do not think that a saint dissolves the chaos even for himself, for there is something arrogant and warlike in the notion of a man setting the universe in order. It is a kind of balance that is his glory. He rides the drifts like an escaped ski. His course is the caress of the hill. His track is a drawing of the snow in a moment of its particular arrangement with wind and rock. Something in him so loves the world that he gives himself to the laws of gravity and chance. Far from flying with the angels, he traces with the fidelity of a seismograph needle the state of the solid bloody landscape. His house is dangerous and finite, but he is at home in the world. He can love the shape of human beings, the fine and twisted shapes of the heart. It is good to have among us such men, such balancing monsters of love."
- L. Cohen, Beautiful Losers

Ai citit "The Favorite"?
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S-a rasgindit! Nu mai e crestin! - de RSI la: 19/12/2003 04:33:16
(la: Bob Dylan, crestin.)
Un extras din biografia lui Bob Dylan din site-ul Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bio.asp?afl=&strbiotype=bio&oid=184 .
"After another tour and a lounge-like 1978 album called Street Legal, Dylan announced his conversion to Christianity. His newfound faith was highlighted on 1979's Slow Train Coming, a No. 3 hit that sold over a million copies; 1980's Saved and 1981's Shot Of Love also dealt with religious themes. Dylan began performing only his new, Christian material, upsetting many long term fans.

By 1982 Dylan had re-embraced Judaism via the Lubavitch Chabad movement, publicly marking his spiritual rebirth with a pilgrimage to Israel. His next album, 1983's Infidels, produced by Mark Knopfler, returned to secular material and received good reviews."
. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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LMC - de Little Eagle la: 03/07/2004 20:50:39
(la: PUTEREA RUGACIUNII)
Dear Sis,'

Tu ai scris o rugaciune,sper sa am dreptul la propia mea ce o stiu de 15 ani si
cu si mai multi ani in urma,a fost dictata de Avatar Meher Baba.
Prin 1978,un amic si la fel credincios in Baba,inca din 1968....un mare rock star
si cred ca e imposibil sa nu fi auzit cineva in lumea asta de el,Pete Townshend
...ori muzica scrisa de el cand era cu....The Who....a pus aceste vorbe dictate de Baba,si creat un cantec faimos,cantat doar la acustic guitar,sper sa placa tuturor care poate l-au auzit demult,poate acum il descopera prin mine,este o rugaciune dedicata Lui Dumnezeu de....Dumnezeu insusi......imi pare rau ca nu o pot traduce in romaneste,e lunga si n-am timp.

"O Parvardigar,the Preserver and Creator of ALL,
You are without beginning and without end;
Non-dual,beyond comparison,and none can measure YOU.
You are without color,without expression,
without form and without attributes.
You are unlimited and unfathomable,
beyond imagination and conception;
eternal and imperishable.
You are indivisible,and none can see YOU
but with eyes Divine.
YOU always were,YOU always are,and YOU always will be.
YOU are everywhere,YOU are in everything,and YOU are also
beyond everywhere and beyond everything.
YOU are in the firmament and in the depths,
YOU are manifest and un manifest;
on all the planes and beyond all planes.
YOU are in the three worlds,and also beyond the three worlds.
YOU are imperceptible and independent.
YOU are the Creator,the Lord of Lords,the Knower
of all minds and hearts;YOU are Omnipotent and Omnipresent
YOU are Knowledge infinite,Power infinite and Bliss infinite.
YOU are the Ocean of Knowledge.
All-Knowing,Infinitely Knowing,the Knower of the past,the present and the future,and YOU are Knowledge itself.
YOU are ALL-merciful and eternally benevolent.
YOU are the Soul of Souls,the ONE with infinite attributes;
YOU are the trinity of TRUTH,Knowledge and Bliss;
YOU are the source of Truth,the Ocean of Love,
YOU are the ANCIENT ONE,the HIGHEST of the HIGH,
YOU are Prabhu and Parameshwar;YOU are the Beyond-GOD
and the Beyond-Beyond-God also;
YOU are Parabrahma,Allah,Elahi,Yezdan,Ahuramazda,and God the Beloved.
YOU are named EZAD,THE ONLY ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP."


God bless you all,
Love&peace,
Ozzy




































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daniel :=) - de anisia la: 11/11/2004 16:38:39
(la: Ce melodie iubiti acum?)
leonard cohen? da!!!! si eu sunt fan. melodia preferata este "I'm your man!" cuvintele sunt...no comment!

If you want a lover,I'll do anything you ask me to.
And if you want another kind of love, I'll wear a mask for you.
If you want a partner, take my hand
Or if you want to strike me down in anger
here I am, I'm your man.

If you want a boxer, I will step into the ring for you.
And if you want a doctor, I'll examine every inch of you.
If you want a driver, climb inside.
Or if you want to take me for a ride,
you know you kan, I'm your man.

Ah, the moon's to bright.
The chain too tight.
The beast won't go to sleep.
I've been running through these promises to you that I made and could not keep.
But a man never got a woman back, not by begging on his knees.
Or I'd crawl to you baby and I'd fall at your feet.
And I'd hawl at your beauty like a dog in heat.
And I'd claw at your heart,
And I'd tear at your sheet.
I'd say please, please, I'm your man.

And if you've got to sleep a moment on the road,
I will steer for you.
And if you want to work the street alone
I'll disappear for you.
If you want a father for your child,
or only want to walk with me a while across the sand,
I'm your man.
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hm.. - de giocondel la: 22/11/2004 01:18:47
(la: doar din curiozitate...)
Horia:):):)

When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
Limba auxiliara - de giocondel la: 22/11/2004 20:37:19
(la: necesitatea unei limbi internationale)
pai..eu nu ma refeream la situatia in care toate popoarele ar renunta la propriile lor limbaje si dialecte, renuntand astfel la mare parte din chiar identitatea lor..ci la posibilitatea adoptarii universale a unei Limbi Auxiliare, pe langa cea specifica, fapt ce ar face mult mai usoara comunicarea intre persoane provenind din culturi diferite si parti opuse ale planetei.

cat despre globalizare, nici acest fenomen nu implica, in mod necesar, renuntarea la propria identitate ca si natiune, ci mai degraba invita la o unificare a planetei, a aceleasi specii, intr-o mare si diversa gradina a existanetei: UNITATE IN DIVERSITATE!!! exact ca si florile unei gradini, diferite culori, arome si forme, insa impreuna creaza o armonie si unitate ademenitoare.

cam atat ,deocamdata.

When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
latin - de giocondel la: 22/11/2004 20:57:51
(la: Motto-uri)
PER ASPERA AD ASTRE

When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
immortal - de giocondel la: 26/11/2004 09:02:30
(la: SUFLETUL ESTE NEMURITOR)
Cred ca pana acum,aceasta conferinta mi s-a parut a fi cea mai amuzanta.:):):)
1.In aceasta epoca a existentei umanitatii, Stiinta si Religia trebuie sa mearga mana in mana( si se vor apropia din ce in ce mai mult) pentru ca:

2.Intotdeauna va exista un punct in care stiinta se va bloca, facand loc nespusului si inexplicabilului, a ceea transcende Limitarile umane.Pana si Einstein, unul din cei mai luminati oameni de stiinta de pana acum, credea in existenta Divinitatii,desi nu intr-un D-zeu personal

ca sa nu mai vorbim de Socrate care a trait cu atat de mult timp in urma si inca pare sa se fi aflat cu mult peste nivelul de constiinta al majoritatii oamenilor.

3.Religia fara stiinta este pura superstite si dogma

4.Treaba e relativ simpla...sa luam un exemplu: copilul in pantecele mamei...la inceput e un mic mormoloc..se dezvolta si incet incet incep sa ii apara diferite organe,membre,etc..Acuma, copilul care sta bine la caldurica in burtica si este hranit prin mama ce zice: "ma sa fiu al naibii! ce oare or mai fi si chestiile astea??ochi, deshte' , urechiuse, tot felulde gauri prin tot felul de locuri..HM! mie nu imi trebuie asa ceva!!in Universul meu,singurul pe care il simt si prin urmare singurul existent, nu e nevoie de asa ceva..."

Mai tarziu afla el ca de fapt in acel Unic univers pe care il cunostea la momentul respectiv, era pregatit pentru tranzitia spre celalt Univers, din afara pantecului mamei...dupa nastere isi va folosi mainile sa munceasca, sa scrie, sa iubeasca, ochii sa se bucure de toate frumusetile acestei lumi etc etc...faptul ca bebelusul,in burta mamei, nu este constient de existenta a altceva decat cordonul ombilical, nu dovedeste Inexistenta a TOT ceea ce se afla in afara micului sau Univers. La fel si noi, in acest plan Fizic, suntem incapabili de a constientiza existenta unor alte planuri, diferite in esenta lor de ceea ce putem noi percepe cu ajutorul celor 5 simturi.Si ceea ce exista Dincolo de capacitatea noastra de intelegere( aici e marea frumusete a creatiei) nu se afla undeva departe, la mii si mii de ani lumina ci Este aici si acum.Tot ce ne desparte se reduce la un val(ignoranta) la fel de subtire ca si peretele burtii mamei.
In lumea aceasta nu facem decat sa obtinem ochi si urechi spirituale, nu este decat o alta etapa in evolutia noastra.Sufletul este nemuritor, etern in trecut si etern in viitor, nesupus alterarii timpului si in continua transformare si evolutie.

5 miscarea nu poate exista fara existenta unei forte la fel cum nu exista efect fara de cauza

6.visele premonitorii, intuitia, deja-vu urile,....oricat s-ar incerca sa fie conectate de activitatea creierului, stim cu totii ca trec dincolo

7.daca intr-adevar nu ar fi nici un Creator si sufletul nu ar exista sau ar inceta sa existe odata cu degradarea corpului fizic, atunci intreaga istorie a umanitatii nu ar fi decat un circ,iar marile minti si spirite ale diferitelor epoci, niste clovni!ca s anu mai vorbim de toti profetii: moise, krishna, Buddha, Zoroastru, Cristos, toti "sfintii" si oamenii spirituali( nu neaparat in sensul de apartenenta la o religie anume)...

8.Daca tu Crezi si Dumnezeu nu exista, nu ai pierdut nimic,insa daca El exista si tu nu crezi...uel..asta depinde de generozitatea lui:):)

9.Mult noroc tuturor si noapte buna..

"O MAN OF TWO VISIONS!
Close one eye and open the other. Close one to the world and all that is therein, and open the other to the hallowed beauty of the Beloved."

"To merit the madness of love, man must abound in sanity; to merit the bonds of the Friend, he must be full of spirit"-the seven valleys





La intrebarea ta am incercat - de nebunica la: 26/11/2004 15:17:45
(la: Ce vor femeile?)
La intrebarea ta am incercat sa-mi raspund acum ceva vreme:

nu vreau decat sa iubesc si sa fiu iubita
vreau sa ofer si sa primesc
vreau oameni frumosi langa mine
vreau caldura, siguranta
vreau sa ma cuibaresc in bratele lui la sfarsitul unei zile plina de nimicuri si sa-i simt caldura
vreau sa facem numai dragoste
vreau sa-mi deschid sufletul si sa-l las sa intre pentru totdeauna
vreau sa-l visez ziua
vreau sa ma viseze noaptea
vreau sa stam pe canapea si sa ne uitam la un film bun, cu doua cesti cu ciocolata calda, fierbinte...
vreau ca atunci cand ma vede sa i se lumineze fata
vreau ca atunci cand ma priveste sa ma oglindesc in ochii lui cu toata fiinta mea
vreau ca atunci cand suntem impreuna sa rada cu ochii
vreau sa nu plece niciodata de langa mine

nu vreau minciuna
nu vreau ura
nu vreau indiferenta
nu vreau lucruri complicate
nu vreau jocuri periculoase
nu vreau cuvinte fara acoperire
nu vreau sa fug
nu vreau sa ma sperii
nu vreau nimic din ce m-ar putea rani...poate o face fara sa stie...

si la intrebarea care te macina...nu pot sa-ti dau decat un singur raspuns:
priveste-o ...si daca te invaluie caldura...nu trebuie decat sa-i intanzi mana si sa-i zambesti... :-)


So cruel...(U2)

We crossed the line
Who pushed who over
It doesn't matter to you
It matters to me

We're cut adrift
We're still floating
I'm only hanging on
To watch you go down
My love

I disappeared in you
You disappeared from me
I gave you everything you ever wanted
It wasn't what you wanted

The men who love you, you hate the most
They pass through you like a ghost
They look for you but your spirit is in the air
Baby, you're nowhere

Oh... love... you say in love there are no rules
Oh... love... sweetheart...
You're so cruel

Desparation is a tender trap
It gets you every time
You put your lips to her lips
To stop the lie

Her skin is pale like God's only dove
Screams like an angel for your love
Then she makes you watch her from above
And you need her like a drug

Oh... love... you say in love there are no rules
Oh... love... sweetheart...
You're so cruel

She wears my love like a see-through dress
Her lips say one thing
Her movements something else
Oh love... like a screaming flower
Love... dying every hour... love

You don't know if it's fear or desire
Danger the drug that takes you higher
Head in heaven, fingers in the mire

Her heart is racing, you can't keep up
The night is bleeding like a cut
Between the horses of love and lust
We are trampled underfoot

Oh... love... you say in love there are no rules
Oh... love... sweetheart...
You're so cruel

Oh... love... to stay with you I'd be a fool
Sweetheart... you're so cruel

alergie la culoare - de giocondel la: 28/11/2004 08:28:54
(la: IMBRACATI-VA IN PORTOCALIU :))
in orasul in care locuiesc eu, sunt 12.000 de locuitori.de fiecare data cand echipa de fotbal(american) are meci acasa...vin in oras in jur de 60-70 mii de oameni.majoritatea sunt fosti studenti ai facultatii de aici, care vin din loialitate si spirit de traditie, zboara din toata america sau merg cu masina doua-3 zile special pt acest eveniment.

NU numai ca traficul este infernal si ma calca ingrozitor pe nervi( odata mi-a luat 3 ore sa ajung acasa,pt ca nu am putut da coltul pe strada mea-politia blocase circulatia acolo din cauza meciului, si a trebuit sa traversez tot orasul si s a vin pe o alta parte,asteptand dupa cele 60 de mii de masini ), dar de fiecare data sper, in mod secret desigur, ca echipa locala s a piarda.NU pot suporta spiritul de turma, mai ales cand este vorba de sporturi.La ultimul meci, cele doua echipe au decis ca s-au saturat de fotbal ,asa ca s-au reprofilat pe box....intr-un meci transmis de telviziunea nationala...ma rog..

Problema este urmatoarea: culoarea oficiala a echipei este..PORTOCALIUL...toti cei 80 de mii d e indivizi, poarta tricouri de aceasta culoare, plus steaguri, plus vopsele pe mecle,burti sau piepturi goale...magazinele au embleme portocalii, canile sunt portocalii, scaunele,caciulile,brelocurile,caietele,chilotii, maieurile,sosetele.TAT!

pentru ca aici este la Moda de vreo 50 de ani, ma tin departe de aceasta culoare care m-a suprasaturat.

pacat, pentru ca imi sta tare bine in portocaliu:):):)

"Eyes are now open to the beauty of the oneness of humanity, of love and of brotherhood."A>B>



pt DON - de giocondel la: 29/11/2004 17:58:36
(la: SUFLETUL ESTE NEMURITOR)
comform enciclopediei britanice, religia baha'i este cea mai raspandita religie ( surprinzator,nu?) iar numarul credinciosilor se ridica la 7-8 milioane.cei ce imbratiseaza credinta Baha'i provin din toate culturile, rasele si religiile posibile.

la ce canoane va referiti? unul din principille fundamentale ale credintei bahai este : cautarea independenta a adevarului iar un altul...religia si stiinta trebuie samearga mana in mana, pentru ca au aceeasi sursa.

When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
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intrebare - de giocondel la: 07/12/2004 03:21:34
(la: Craciunul... amintiri si obiceiuri..)

sanjuro, sunteti din valeni?eu nu beau alcool de multi ani insa o delicatesa de care imi amintesc este tuica de la strabunica, de langa valeni.In caz ca vorbim de acelasi valeni...

oricum , sarbatori feiricite tuturor
When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
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ultilizatorului Ueit - de giocondel la: 07/12/2004 17:49:48
(la: SUFLETUL ESTE NEMURITOR)
“Si Homer sau Shakespeare au facut acest lucru si nu cred ca esti convinsa de veridicitatea istorisirilor din cartile lor.”

Veridicitatea scrierilor se sustrage din fructele pe care acele cuvinte le dau.Shakespeare imi bucura inima si ma face sa apreciez arta si frumusetea cuvantului scris, pe cand Cuvantul Divin deshide noi porti de patrundere sufletului meu, imi ofera raspunsuri la intrebarile esentiale, imi inspira inima sa aduc lauda Creatorului si creatiei, ma ajuta sa ma cunosc pe mine insami si sa descopar in tot ce ma inconjoara acea esenta despre care va vorbeam( ce nu poate fi explicata sau demonstrata ci este intim legata de puterea de perceptia si profunzimea fiecarui om)

“Fluctuatiile cuantice sunt impredictibile, nu stiu la ce ordine te referi. Ordinea pe care noi o observam este o medie statistica a evenimentelor cuantice.”

Fluctuatiile cuantice explica numai faptul ca legile fizice au o anume limita.asta nu inseamna ca aceste fluctuatii in sine stau la baza universului sau ca prin ele putem nega existenta unei anumite ordini.In orice haos exista o ordine prestabilita.

“Poti sa detaliezi cine erau "cei ce radeau"? Si ce argumente aveau ambele parti? Metoda stiintifica nu este perfecta insa este cea mai buna pe care o avem. Daca acceptam teorii lipsite de argumente este aproape sigur ca o vom lua pe o cale gresita. Adevarul este unul dar falsuri sunt o infinitate. Daca ai tu o idee mai buna de discernere a adevarului decat metoda stiintifca as fi curios sa o vad.”

Mda..leonardo da vinci a fost parintele multor din stiintele de acum.Oamenii timpului lui, chiar oamenii de stiinta I-au ras in fata si din aceasta cauza nu si-a putut pune in practica teoriile( ex elicopterul), pentru ca papalitatea sau patronii artelor si stiintelor preferau sa plateasca pentru mari chefuri mai degraba decat pentru incurajarea teoriilor unui om care” evident habar nu are despre ce vorbeste”.Orice om de viziune si mare descoperitor sau teoretician a intalnit prejudecati din partea chiar colegilor de breasla.Exemplele sunt nenumarate.Intrebati orice laureat al premiului Nobel despre cati I-au ras in fata in timpul ceercetarilor ,care erau menite sa aduca o viziune noua, nemaiauzita pana atunci.


“Ce te face sa crezi ca este vorba de o "creatie" a unei entitati constiente si nu doar o evolutie guvernata de legile fizicii?”

Pentru ca omul poate subjuga legile fizicii prin simpla exercitare a facultatilor sale intelectuale, prin urma exercitarii unei anume vointe: daca natura si legile ei ar fi tot ceea ce guverneaza aceasta existenta atunci ar insemna ca animalul este un exponent superior omului, pentru ca este intruchiparea acestor legi.Comform legilor fizice, omul nu ar trebui sa se desprinda de pamant si totusi el zboara, subjugand si folosind chiar aceste legi in favoarea sa.exista o vointa superioara ce guverneaza atat legile fizice cat si vointa umana.

“Atat talibanii cat si catolicismului evului mediu "practicau o anume credinta" si nu au reprezentat extreme, ci regula. Inchizitia s-a intins pe 500 de ani facand sute de mii de victime. Practic toata istoria a fost semanata cu violenta religioasa, aceasta incetand odata cu pierderea puterii de catre biserica. Daca ai citit exemplele de mai sus poti constata ca intoleranta si cruzimea religioasa au o baza ferma in biblie.”


Profetii Divini sunt ca niste profesori pentru umanitate.Timpurile despre care vorbiti dumneavoastra erau timpuri sangeroase iar triburile si circumstantele intunecate si inconjurate de ignoranta.cele zece porunci pe care el le-a revelat omului, sunt dovada a ceea ce spun.La fel cu celellate religii.orice religie are doua parti: una sociala si fizica si una strict spirituala, imuabila, intotdeauna aceeasi.in schimb legile sociale si fizice se schimba de la epoca la epoca, in functie de necesitati si de capacitatea oimenirii de a percepe.este un porces de crestere si evoluare.Unui elev de clasa intai nu ii poti vorbi despre fizica cuantica.Asta nu insemna ca profesorul ce ii preda literele alfabetului, el insussi nu stie citi deja sau nu cunoaste mai mult decat preda la acel nivel.Asta e diferenta.De fiecare data cand un profet reveleaza o noua religie( ma refer la 9 mari si esentiale religii ce au existat pana acum), intreaga existenta este regenerata, o inspiratie proaspata este insuflata intregii creatii, totul revine la viata si artele si stiinta avanseaza de asemena in acest proces.

“Moralitatea este creata de om ca o adaptare la viata sociala. Pur si simplu o societate in care, sa spunem, crima este permisa nu poate fi stabila si este eliminata. Care sunt argumentele tale ca morala vine de la Dumnezeu?”

Cele zece porunci, legile spirituale ale tuturor marilor religii.Niciodata societatea nu a stabilit legi morale esentiale de la sine.tocmai de aici necesitatea unui Educator divin.ochi pt ochi,…etc..in vremea aceea era o lege morala venita de la dumnezeu pentru ca oamenii luau 10 ochi pt un ochi, si 1000 de dinti pentru un dinte…apoi Isus a venit si a spus : lasa, numai lua tu ochi pt ochi, ca este Unul drept , acolo sus si are grija de tine, nu e cazul sa iti faci drepotate singur, asa ca mai bine fii iertator si intoarce si celalat obraz.Tot el a pus bazele insitutiei casatoriei, ca si insitutie divina in care partile au drepturi si responsabilitati.Mohammad , comform porejudecatii raspandite ca a instigat la poligamie, dimpotriva a spus triburilor care aveau zeci de neveste, ca daca nu le poti trata pe toate egal, mai bine sa aI numai una ,ca sa fii drept.tot el revine si spune clar ca nici un barbat nu poate trata egal mai multe femei…Tot el a oferit femeii un rang de fiinta umana, pt ca momentul si locul in care si-a revelat misiunea a fost unul din cele mai crude si pline de atrocitati( fetele nou nascute erau ingropate de vii iar o femeie valora numai cateva camile etc etc).Apoi, in religia baha’I, femeia este egala cu barbatul si este mai bine sa preferi pe vecinul tau decat pe tine insauti si mai de graba sa fii ucis decat sa ucizi..etc etc…dovada ca religia a ridicat de fiecare data standardele morale ale umanitatii sta in studierea cu atentie a istoriei omenirii cat si a istoriei religiilor.

“Ma intreb la ce-si mai bat capul toti oamnii de stiinta sau teologii. Ar trebui sa te intrebe pe tine.”

Ironia poate fi si amuzanta adresantului…nu-I bai
“Matematica lucreaza cu concepte abstracte insa are un corespondent in realitate, de-aia suntem in stare sa calculam traiectoria unei nave spatiale sau sa construim un pod. In ce sens vorbesti de unitatea creatiei?”

Spiritualitatea lucreaza cu concepte abstracte insa are si ea corespondente in realitate.Milostenia, genrozitatea,dragostea, detasarea,iertarea,..le vedeti, le mirositi, le puteti atinge ??si totusi exista si se manifesta, devenind vizibile in lumea fenomenala prin intermediul actiunilor noastre.

“Cel care face afirmatia trebuie sa o sustina, nu cel care o neaga. Ai afirmat ca martirii sunt norocosi, prezinta evidenta pe care o ai. Eu pot doar sa spun ca dupa toate indiciile oferite de stiinta acestia sunt deplin si iremediabil morti.”

HA!!ma tem ca si cel ce neaga o afirmatie trebuie sa isi sustina negatia, pentru ca altfel tot ce ar trebui eu sa fac e sa neg tot ce spuneti dumneavoastra, indiferent de ceea ce spuneti si asta m-ar face sa am dreptate.

“Este absolut fals. Teroristii islamici, sectele sinucigase, conform teoriei tale detin adevarul.”

Trage concluzii pripite si fara legatura cu ceea ce spun eu.M-am referit clar la cei ce isi jertfesc viata ca si martiri, preferand moartea, negarii propriilor lor credinte, nu la cei ce ucid in numele credintelor lor, mare diferenta intre ce am spus eu si ce scoateti dumneavoastra in evidenta.

“Prin urmare nu am nici un motiv de a crede ca rugaciunea ar aduce ceva bun. De ce sa pierdem timpul?”

Faptul ca eu nu detin statistici nu insemna ca ele nu exista sau ca puterea rugaciunii este devalidata.Rugaciunea este ca o scara, catre Dumnezeu.Nicidecum o pierdere de timp.Ea conduce sufletul omului spre Sursa tuturor lucrurilor si ii ofera acces la lumi necunoscute si la cunoastere de sine.combinand-o, bineinteles, cu meditatie.

“ Si ai gasit in ele vreun argument ca ar avea la baza o origine divina?”

DA, multe argumente, explicatii la intrebarile mele materialiste,viziuni profunde asupra multor probleme existentiale, puncte de vedere cu totul superioare modului de a rationa pur uman , trecand dincolo de limitarile existentei materiale si materialiste.

Urari de bine!!

When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
alt fel de analiza - de giocondel la: 10/12/2004 02:49:32
(la: Materialism si creationism(ueit))
sincer, eu speram sa imi analizati textul, folosindu-va ochii inimii .

ca folosesc sau nu un anume tip de logica, ca omul a dezvoltat rationamentele si conceptele logice, mai putin intereseaza.Important este ceea ce incerc sa transmit, chiar asa stangaci din punct de vedere al stilului, gramatical sau mai stiu eu ce pct de vedere care cere analiza batului de chibrit...

chiar daca logica mea e simplista,"lamentabila" adevarul ramane adevar,indiferent cum el este transmis, Si adevarul este ca EU AM SCRIS ACEST TEXT si ca niciodata cuvintele nu s-ar fi asezat singure pe ecran, in exact aceasta combinatie si forma, pentru ca eu le-am gandit mai intai si pe urma le-am asternut ,folosindu-ma de tastatura, schimband forma textului de la o secunda la alta, in functie de cum ideile se inlocuiau una pe alta in mintea mea.

probabil ca "Logicienii" moderni imi pot demonstra ca nici nu exist si ca am zece coarne pe un umar.Faptul ca ei au dezvoltat intr-un fel anume logica, nu insemna ca ea reprezinta realitatea lucrurilor nicidecum.Fiecare om cu logica lui.pana si nebunii au o logica anume ,de fier, ce poate fi cu greu contrazisa.:):):):)
Urari de bine!



When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
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inclinatii - de giocondel la: 10/12/2004 07:25:34
(la: Viata gay...romaneasca!)
oamenii de stiinta lasa de inteles ca, in general, toti oamenii au o tendinta, cat de mica ,sau atractie catre acelasi sex.

personal, nu cred ca homosexualitatea este o degenerare genetica si nici un nou stadiu in evolutia omului, desi ca fenomen apare de cand lumea si pamantul cum se spune.Cred ca este pur si simplu o boala, a sufletului si a mintii, si ca ea poate fi depasita cu ajutorul doctorilor si specialistilor, al rugaciunii si al dorintei sincere si determinarii celui in cauza.

In rest, este intr-adevar intelept sa nu judecam , mai ales ca testul dat oamenilor cu astfel de inclinatii nu este unul usor.Mie mi se pare mai degraba, ceva foarte trist( prin urmare deja am emis o judecata...:(:( )





When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys
#31288 (raspuns la: #31258) comenteaza . modifica . semnaleaza adminului
chiar si asa - de giocondel la: 10/12/2004 15:48:53
(la: Evolutionism vs Creationism. Dar Panspermia?)
de ce nu, poate fi posibil...dar ,chiar si asa, tot nu vad cum teoria creationismului este contrazisa.Infirerent de unde or fi venit acesti germeni de viata, la origine tot creati au fost.

remarca: nu cred in adam si eva:)

When the fire of love is ablaze, it burneth to ashes the harvest of reason… And when the fire of love is become ablaze, the harvest of reason will be wholly consumed.” -Seven Valleys



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