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securitate bi-laterala? - de JCC la: 24/10/2003 04:24:00
(la: ZIDUL RUSINII)
fi-va oare acest zid o garantie a securitatii palestinienilor, la fel?
sau va fi un fel de ghetto, nu de Varsovie, ci din Israel?

Aveti pretentia sa procedati cu palestinienii, la fel ca Hitler cu evreii?
Sa faceti un Holocaust palestinian?

Cata ura mocneste in voi, cat spirit de razbunare impotriva umanitatii..
sa refaceti la altii dublu ce altii v-au facut voua ?
de ce dublu?
pentru ca le-ati luat tara

Ati fost pe timpul lui Adam si Eva in Palestina?
Sa fi ramas acolo, nu sa fi plecat in 4 colturi ale globului dupa oportunitati de bani multi si viata usoara...
sau poate imi spui de ce au plecat?

o intrebare:
cati evrei traiau in Palestina inainte ca americanii si englezii sa va parasuteze?
si cati palestinieni?
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Gala Galaction, parintele si omul - de Ingrid la: 18/11/2003 06:40:44
(la: Antisemitism)
Gala Galaction, slujitor in odajdii al Bisericii Ortodoxe Romane:

Veneam adeseori, de la tara la oras, impreuna cu parintii mei, ca sa vedem niste rude. Eram mic; ma apropiam de clasa intaia primara. Intr-o dimineata de vara, sosind de la tara, las pe cei mari in casa, bucurosi de revedere, si ies in curte sa ma plimb. Era o curte fermecatoare: plina cu ierburi nedisciplinate, cu arbori patriarhi si cu unele lucruri vechi, rasturnate si decrepite...

In fata casei, o uluca de stachete despartea curtea aceasta de alta mai mica si mai luminoasa. Observ intaia oara ca, dincolo, la vecini, sunt copii. Ma apropii si prin stachetele rare legam prietesug. Erau doua fetite... Cum va cheama? Matilda si Lia. Matilda era de seama mea; Lia mai mica. Era un eveniment placut. Matilda avea o papusa, Lia un carucior... Erau copii frumosi si blanzi. Ne-am lipit fruntea de uluca si ochi in ochi am stat de vorba, copilareste multumiti de intalnirea noastra. Dar iata ca ma striga cei din casa.

Am alergat sa le spun ca mi-am gasit prieteni. Spre toata mirarea mea, aud atunci: Ce mai prieteni! Acelea sunt fete de ovrei. Sa nu le mai chemi la uluca. Auzi? Sunt ovreice!

Era intaia oara cand ma intalneam in viata mea cu antisemitismul. Rudele mele de la oras ma tineau de rau sa nu ma imprietenesc cu ovreii. Iata prima intepatura veninoasa pe care filoxera antisemita o incearca asupra mladitei sufletului nostru. Sunt copii de ovrei!... Si daca sunt?... Ce sunt ovreii? Asupra mea, unuia, aceasta distinctiune vestejitoare, prinsa la sase ani, a inraurit curios ca o ispita. Ce sunt ovreii, daca trebuie sa ne ferim de ei si de copiii lor? In imprejurarea mea, de Matilda! Era doar un copil atat de dragalas, de bucalat si de trandafiriu!

In clasele primare, am avut coleg un singur ovrei, Goldstain Marcu. Un scolar de seama, premiant totdeauna, si vrednic de toata luarea-aminte. Ma impresiona, la el, indeosebi, un fel de francheta si de avant sufletesc pe care nu-l gaseam decat la un singur alt coleg. Afara de asta, Marcu al meu citia haiduci si la orice incurcatura sau controversa apriga nu ramanea cu mainile in buzunar.

Cu aceste impresiuni despre evrei am ajuns, din coltul meu de provincie, in Capitala Romaniei. Ar trebui poate sa mai adaug ca in podul acelei case, langa care locuiau parintii Matildei, am gasit, mai tarziu, o Biblie scolara, cu icoane. In aceasta carte, am citit o multime de intamplari, de fapte minunate sau vitejesti, o poveste intreaga, cu peripetii zguduitoare, petrecuta intre Dumnezeu si israeliti. Acesti israeliti - am aflat de la dascalul nostru - nu erau altceva decat stramosii evreilor.

Asa ajunge cineva sa se desparta de gloata antisemita si sa creada ca evreii sunt oameni vrednici de toate drepturile, de toate libertatile si de toate binefacerile filantropiei si ale civilizatiei. Cunosc viata, inteleg luptele sociale si economice si stiu de mult ca popoarele nu sunt colonii ingeresti. Antisemitismul popular e o inferioritate si o plaga ca atatea altele de cari este bantuita colectivitatea. Theodor Herzel spune cu dreptate: Popoarele pe langa cari traiesc evreii sunt toate, in general si in parte, cu perdea sau fara perdea antisemite. Poporul de rand n-are nici o pricepere istorica si nici nu poate sa aiba. Vulgul nu-si da seama ca pacatele Evului Mediu se intorc astazi pe capul popoarelor europene. Noi suntem ceea ce ne-au facut altii, inchizandu-ne in Ghetto. In afacerile banesti suntem, fara indoiala, mai tari decat altii, fiindca in Evul Mediu am fost azvarliti si tinuti numai pe maidanul afacerilor". Daca inteleg insa antisemitismul celor multi, nu inteleg antisemitismul celor putini, dedati studiului si cugetarii generoase. Cand problema evreiasca este una din durerile omenirei civilizate, cand antisemitismul e o pornire josnica nascuta din gelozie si din subteranele sufletului omenesc, cum poate un om luminat sa se lase contaminat de antisemitism? Socotesc ca, dimpotriva, orice amic al culturei si al libertatei sufletesti trebuie sa se intereseze cu simpatie de problema evreiasca si de maretul ideal care impinge astazi spre Sion toate inimile evreiesti.

Si cu toate acestea, puntile intre evidenta intelectuala si realitatea existenta sub soare sunt totdeauna rupte! Printre oamenii nostri de carte si de condei gasesti mai multi rau-voitori si antisemiti, decat prieteni dispusi sa priceapa si sa ajute.

Alternative pentru O-Zone - de belazur la: 12/03/2004 12:26:44
(la: Va place O-Zone?)
Alice, "dragostea din tei" - buna-rea, este o metafora. Cum dragostea este imateriala, poate fi/"veni"... de oriunde, si de ce nu?- si din tei (poate din unul simbolic).

Pe cand astea:

"“Asa noi traim –
Un pahar de vin sa cinstim
Despre viata noastra sa vorbim
Brutto-netto, traiasca ethno!

Cu care canta ,
De unde se vede Dunarea
Si voocea mea rasuna asa tare!
Incalec pe soare calare,
Ia mai zi, mai lautare din Clejani,
O doina cu voce plina de SINCER
Pentru guys from New-York City
Cu Dobermanpincer!”

Sau:

“Apuca-te, frate, de plug!
Sa-nfloreasca ethno!
Ma cheama Romala,
TRAIESC LA GHETTO!” -

sunt adevarate prostii, din cele mai neinsiprate... Dar ce sa-i faci, daca... plac! Banuiesc ca si tie iti plac, in orice caz mai mult decat O-Zone? :(
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. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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jimmy - de Horia D la: 23/05/2005 23:16:57
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "3")
si eu care credeam ca "IO" e din ghetto:)) ca "YO, WADDUP? ;))
sau "waddup gee" :))
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nuuuuu, nu e din ghetto - de Jimmy_Cecilia la: 23/05/2005 23:24:13
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "3")
era un film,ceva cu coasta de west, au sosit vreo 20 tineri recrutatzi,
unul chiar fiul colonelului, ce nu-si vazuse tatal de mic...
sergentul a facut apelul, si cand primul a raspuns "prezent"
le-a spus "ajunge sa spunetzi numai "io"

si cu "iooo" faceau prezenta de fiecare data
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Conformismul nonconformismului - de ondine la: 16/06/2005 18:06:16
(la: Conformism si nonconformism in mileniul III)
Sa zic si eu ceva, ca m-a incurajat apelul incisiv al lui Intruder…
Cred ca au fost binevenite definitiile de dictionar si ma bucur ca a mentionat deja cineva despre nonconfomismul care devine conformism.
Nonconfomismul e deja un cliché, asa cum e el interpretat de majoritatea.
Eu vreau sa fiu nonconformista imbracandu-ma la "patru ace" (ei da, si ma simt bine asa, in plus) intr-o lume sufocata de prost gust si vulgaritate in materie vestimentara. Vreau sa fiu dandy de nonconformista intr-o lume kitsch! Vreau sa fiu nonconformista ascultand Rahmaninov acasa in loc sa refulez prin cluburi sau discoteci. Nonconformista cand il prefer pe Shakespeare lui Dan (sau Sandra) Brown, cand prefer un Tarkovski in loc de Spiderman, Arte in loc de ProTv, si o discutie cu prieteni reali in loc de un reality show. Cand refuz sa ma trag de sireturi cu toata lumea, cand refuz sa vorbesc urat intr-o lume innecata de injuraturi la tot pasul, cand refuz sa ridic tonul intr-o lume de isterici, cand refuz sa barfesc “intre gagici”. Inclusiv cand spun ca Paolo Coehlo ar fi fost un scriitor bun daca s-ar fi oprit din scris dupa primele 3-4 carti, ca resemnarea mioritica e un fel de masturbare a orgoliului, ca Julia Roberts e una din cele mai proaste actrite cu putinta, Dali este un impostor dpdv artistic, politica nu e o stiinta, arta si literatura nu sunt meserii, democratia este o utopie iar afectul uman este in majoritatea cazurilor la fel de primitiv ca al Neanderthalienilor.
Nonconformista, daca prefer sa fiu singura mai degraba decat in companie proasta. Nonconformista, daca nu cred in literatura de ghetto si muzica de tomberon, in originalitatea subculturii, si in alte mari revolutii ale unei generatii in disperata criza de inspiratie. Nonconformista, daca nu respect critica “de specialitate” care trece de la ridicol la sublim in functie de numarul piscoturilor servite la lansari si vernisaje.
Nonconformista, fiindca sunt misogina in fata feministelor si feminista in fata misoginilor, individualista in fata multimii, sceptica in fata exaltatilor, alergica la gandirea alb-negru si zen fata de cum ar putea altii sa catalogheze toate astea. Fiindca un tip conducand un Lamborghini imi face mai degraba impresie proasta, fiindca mi-ar fi jena sa castig un concurs de “miss”, fiindca nu-mi place sa ma las condusa de hormoni, fiindca nu ma impresioneaza succesul financiar si nici cuceririle amoroase, si cu atat mai putin ma impresioneaza negarea de dragul negatiei sau imitatia, de orice fel, ca surogat de personalitate.
Nonconformism, cu siguranta, daca asta inseamna sa fii intreg intr-o lume de jumatati adunate doua cate doua. Sau, mai rau, adunate in turma.
trustman si legea - de Simeon Dascalul la: 12/08/2005 23:27:28
(la: passe-partout)
Pentru cei care se agata de sacralitatea legii pot sa spun ca si Hitler si Stalin au dat la vremea lor legi.

Ajungand cu comparatia pe meleagurile noastre si Ceasca avea o pozitie destul de clara vis-a-vis de cum trebuie procedat cu aia la care li s-a cam acrit de patria-muma. Granicerii absolut in spiritul legii trageau in ai de incercau sa scape noaptea prin Dunare din tara Mioritei. Acum au evoluat remarcabil - nu impusca, nu bat pe nimeni, iau numai pasapoartele. Ca sa vezi ce inseamna civilizatia.

Revenind la legile incriminate, cred ca sunt doua si n-as putea spune care-i mai stupida.

Prima - despre care am inteles ca-i de pe vremea psd-ului - presupunea ridicarea paspoartelor la aia de depaseau nouazeci de zile in afara.
A doua aduce noi restrictii la trecerea granitei, dar are instructiuni remarcabil de neclare si se va aplica, cica, din octombrie.

Prima - probabil s-a adoptat in forma asta la indicatiile uniunii, dar nu s-a pus in practica niciodata. Dar intr-o dimineata Blaga s-a trezit mai catolic decat papa si a strigat "sa se aplice legea". S-a aplicat cateva zile, prinzand din belsug amarasteni ghinionisti. Apoi s-a raspandit vestea si romanii ce mai voiau sa-si vada neamurile au facut stanga-mprejur.
Presa a inceput sa urle, ministrul a renuntat la ideea cu retinerea, i-a venit alta cu o baza de date care se preteaza si mai bine la spaga si a zis ca o sa dea inapoi pasapoartele la aia cu motive temeinice.
Actiunea asta o fi fost facuta sa dea bine in ochii Europei, dar arata mai degraba a zvarcolire de epileptic. Ce naiba a rezolvat?

Fraierii prinsi, or sa se se eforteze sa fuga din nou, or sa ajunga someri, delincventi, sau, in cel mai bun caz, vrednici salariati cu 150 de euro pe luna.
Aia mai norocosi, care au scapat, or se fereasca de tara ca de dracu'. Mai bine fara neamuri decat inchis in ghetto-ul mioritic. Sa mearga Blaga personal sa-i caute prin Uniune daca are timp liber. Sau sa se curete de ei Europa prin mijloace proprii. Cum corect remarcai, daca schengenii ii strangeau si-i returnau cu manutele lor scapa Blaga saracul neinjurat.

O statistica mult ma interesanta ca cea propusa de tine mi se pare a fi una cu valuta ce intra in Romania. Cam cat, adica, din tara asta traieste din munca "ilegalistilor" pe care are boala Blaga.


A doua opera legislativa a guvernantilor nostri are un text ambiguu si cretin.
Cica afaceristii au nevoie de un pachet de acte care sa ateste relatiile de afaceri. Sau de o invitatie legalizata la notar acolo, tradusa si legalizata la notar aici.
Ca turist scapi mai ieftin - daca nu ai aceeasi invitatie plimbata pe la doi notari si traducator se accepta si rezervare de la hotel. Asta-mi place, ca intra oarecum in domeniul meu. Am facut una in graba, pentru niste vecini mai nevricosi, mergand in Olanda, dar daca chiar se adopta ineptia asta o sa ne lansam in productia de masa.
De text - eventual in limbi diferite se poate face rost. E suficient sa stii niste fete lucrand ca secretare de firme mai mari, cu delegatii in afara. Intr-o juma de zi se poate fabrica/ scana un antet multumitor si aranja o stampila. Apoi se trece hartia prin fax sau se listeaza color, dupa gust. Cu alea legalizate tra sa recunosc ca ar fi mai greu.

Revenind la drepturile si indatoririle de care scriai poti sa fii mai clar? Drepturi date de ce, indatoriri fata de cine?
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Nu stiu, nu stiu, inca mizez - de gabriel.serbescu la: 14/10/2005 22:14:48
(la: Underground (Curicculum Vitae in grafitti...))
Nu stiu, nu stiu, inca mizez pe Parazitii, altii nu ai, pentru ca in Romania nu exista consum, si deci nici productie.

Cine arunca o privire in ograda poloneza, pe Viva, vede 80% hip-hop= orgoliul vs.restul de structuri europene, pentru muzica, cel putin la tineri, mai mult decat se asculte sau se simte, se identifica, si polonezii au inca complexul ghetto-ului comunist, poate si pentru ca-s prea aproape de nemtii, in fine...
Nu trebuie infierat nimic, orice manifestare trebuie inteleasa si lasa-ta sa se consume, deviata si protejata, dusa si detonata in munti daca e nociva, insa in nici un caz nu ser mai poate oprima nimic, nu in sec XXI.
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city? - de Horia D la: 19/10/2005 15:57:51
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "6")
sunt doar la 12 mile de city! si cine vrea sa stea aproape de ghetto?:))
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popix - de Mihai B la: 06/11/2005 21:39:47
(la: Arde Parisul?)
Putin cam exagerata declaritatia cum ca "occidentul va arde din temelii..."

Temeliile occidentului nu sunt facute din masini si mahalalele/ghetto-urile saracilor. Si daca isi dau foc la case si masini unde o sa stea....ca acusi vine iarna si-i potoleste.:)

Sunt destui destui nebuni peste tot. Daca au inceput si in Germania vreun foc de tabara..poate ca i-au copiat pe francezi.

Franta a avut mereu o politica gresita cum sa abordeze problema emigrantilor si a saraciei. A izolat emigrantii fara a le dea sanse prea mari de integrare.
Cred ca mai degraba in Franta era o chestie de 'cind se va intimpla' nicidecum 'daca se va intimpla'.
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nu se poate sa ii arunci in g - de Honey in the Sunshine la: 07/11/2005 20:11:06
(la: Arde Parisul?)
nu se poate sa ii arunci in ghetouri si apoi sa le pretinzi sa fie integrati in societate
Cum adica "sa-i arunci in ghetto-uri"? Nu sunt oare liberi sa-si cumpere case unde vor in oras? Mai degraba spiritul de comunitate, care-i leaga de cei cu aceeasi nationalitate sau conditie ca si ei ii determina sa aleaga sa traiasca acolo.

Cat despre ajutoarele sociale: intr-adevar, poate ar trebui sa lasam persoanele inapte la munca fizica sa moara de foame, si-asa nu folosesc nimanui! Am facut exemplul asta pentru ca e imposibil sa faci diferenta intre cei care "nu vor" si cei care "nu pot" (la nivel administrativ, desigur).
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Communication is not just words, communication is architecture
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"Cum adica "sa-i arunci in gh - de Daniel Racovitan la: 07/11/2005 20:14:53
(la: Arde Parisul?)
"Cum adica "sa-i arunci in ghetto-uri"? Nu sunt oare liberi sa-si cumpere case unde vor in oras? Mai degraba spiritul de comunitate, care-i leaga de cei cu aceeasi nationalitate sau conditie ca si ei ii determina sa aleaga sa traiasca acolo."

Nu spiritul de comunitate ii tine in ghetouri, ci saracia. Cei care reusesc sa iasa din saracie, pleaca imediat. Iar saracia a fost generata in primul rand de rasism si de marginalizare. Cei mai multi din arabii din cartierul de unde a pornit violenta sunt refugiati veniti o data cu retragerea francezilor din Algeria.


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"aceste cuvinte ne doare" (sic).
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"dupa decretarea starii de ur - de Daniel Racovitan la: 09/11/2005 09:55:24
(la: Arde Parisul?)
"dupa decretarea starii de urgenta si restrictiilor de circulatie:numai 418 masini arse, 2 ziaristi straini molestati."

trebuiau s-o faca mult mai devreme.
sa speram ca or sa traga concluziile care trebuie si sa ia masuri contra ghetto-izarii.

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"aceste cuvinte ne doare" (sic).
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rachel - de Horia D la: 30/12/2005 16:29:49
(la: Minoritati)
pai ti-am vorbit in "ghetto" :))))
feshizlle mah nizzle = coolness
bling-blings = bijuterii (aka golden teeth, big ol' golden chains, rings, etc)
chromes = vine de le auto tire caps, deci masini
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Alex - de tatiku la: 12/09/2006 20:16:12
(la: Muzica Rock!)
Raspunsul meu poate fi foarte alambicat, dar de fapt ti-l pot face simplu. Intr-adevar, daca simt talent si calitate sunt dispus sa ma las cucerit. Dar chiar si asa, genul muzical trebuie sa aiba sex-appeal, sa te cheme, sa-l intelegi si sa nu te plictiseasca. Muzicii rock nu-i dau nici o sansa, tocmai ca sunt destul de sastisit si ca nu are nimic sa ma atraga. Disco? hm, poate o melodie si poate o energie viguroasa. Populara? Da, daca e autentica si cantata "con passione", fara versuri imbecile si fara prea multe inovatii stilistice. Jazz? Da, daca nu e prea diluat si abstractizat. Pop? Nu prea, e repetitiva si prea simpluta. Tehno, nu, nu ma atrage, e toata bagata in priza, nu are nici un fel de personalitate. Rap? Poate, daca e facuta bine, daca are versuri bune, daca are aerul de ghetto si mai ales sa nu o vad. Dar rock-ului nu-i vad nci o calitate, iertat sa fiu. Banuiesc ca atrage prin energia descatusata electronic, banuesc ca se asculta tocmai pentru un fel de "ecarisaj" al energiilor negative acumulate ce se cer aruncate undeva. Muzicienii (hai sa spunem asa, desi ma doare...) arata exact ca muzica lor, ingalati, respingatori, similari, neingrijiti, agresivi si ciudati. Cum e turcul si pistolul...Nici macar cei mai buni, la o atenta si fara prejudecati evaluare, nu-mi pot spune absolut nimic atractiv. Queen, PF, Led Zeppelin, doar niste echipe de zgomote care pacatuiesc prin repetitie si monotonie. Sa ascultam atent doua piese ale uneia dintre aceste trupe. Nu se lucreaza deloc la sonoritate, nu se inventeaza combinati timbrale, atmosfera e la fel de sumbra sau, varianta a doua, violenta, versurile rizibile. Apoi ma deranjeaza impulsul de a lupta impotriva cuiva, acel dusman ne-numit, intalnit la orice categorie de muzica proasta (manele, arabeasca, tiganeasca veche, etc.). Si apoi impulsul, accentele agresive, chitarile nelipsite, obsesive, bateria cu acelasi sound si schemele "tehnice" de face break-uri, sau de a glissa pe chitari, sau de a ciupi bassul. Sa nu mai zic de saracia armonica, de imbracamintea doar sumara, in cele mai bune cazuri, a "orchestratiei". Dar cel mai mult deranjeaza vocea solistilor, sinistra, urata de cele mai multe ori.
Mai vrei argumente? Mai am.
E singurul gen de muzica in care hazul nu e ingaduit. Ceea ce e lamentabil, de-a dreptul. Cine face muzica si nu lucreaza cu spiritul, cu ludicul, cu fantezia vioaie isi pierde, din punctul meu de vedere, orice carlig de agatat atentia.
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Bright, Parazitii???? - de tatiku la: 26/09/2006 05:10:59
(la: Pe insula mea!)
Pai nu inteleg. Vii pe insula si aduci cu tine ghetto-ul? Era vorba de aerisire, mentala, fizica, etc! Or avea ei versuri interesante, nu zic, dar ritmul ala nu concorda cu ritmul insulei. dar daca insisti...o sa antifonez o camera...
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Fiecare dintre noi cauta altceva in muzica. Unii sunt in cautarea "melodiei". altii a "mesajului", altii vor ritm si energie, altii atmosfera, etc...
Daca vrei balans si descrieri sociale, hip-hop asta iti da. E vorba si aici de o muzica mimetica, de o moda a "ghetto-ului" newyorkez (sau poate din LA, habar n-am). Cum il translatezi in romaneste fara sa fii caraghios si cum muti felul de viata din Harlem in Pantelimon tine de iscusinta de a mima o filozofie care ti-e realmente straina aici. Dar se pare ca e suficient sa-ti dai un look de "gangsta", sa te imbraci larg, sport si sa-ti pui paftale de aur, sa le imiti gesturile si atitudinea, sa introduci fara ezitare cuvinte sulfuroase in fraze muscatoare, si ai facut "muzica".
E interesant sa stim ca hip-hop-ul e o muzica sociala. Trebuie luata ca atare. Ea musca din sistem dar, helas, (vechea problema decand cu rock-ul anilor 60), nu pune nimic in loc. Doar da sfaturi banale...
*** - de irma la: 09/05/2007 15:05:02
(la: Parfum de diamante....)
Cred ca piercingurile si tatuajele reprezinta o dorinta a tinerilor societatilor consumiste de a imprumuta ceva din cultura controversata a celor saraci si ignorati, considerati primitivi si salbatici.

e o explicatie logica, pertinenta a felului in care s-a nascut moda asta.

ceea ce ma duce cu gandul la moda provenita din ghetto-ul american a pantalonilor cu turul lasat si a tricourilor labartate. probabil ca e un fel de a sugera ca se imbracau cu haine de capatat sau cu hainele ramase de la fratii mai mari.
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Mao - de Baloo_ la: 15/05/2007 07:39:57
(la: Exercitiu de gandire/imaginatie)
Sunt de acord cu cifrele. Dar imi aduc aminte de discutii asemanatoare din anii '80. Pe atunci erau ceva mai mult de 3 miliarde si-si faceau oamenii ganduri ce se va intampla in 2000 cand vor fi 6 miliarde, adica aproape dublu, tinand cont ca deja nu mai este loc destul pentru toti. Cica. Aceeasi panica : ce se intampla cu noi? Repet : fata de persectiva "groaznica" de a trai impreuna cu inca 6 miliarde. Ne inchipuiam deja cum locuim unii peste ceilalti, oamenii au degete plate de la apasatul pe butoane, stomacul mic de la medicamentele ce inlocuiesc mancarea, picioare subtiri de la statul doar pe benzi rulante, etc. Cat s-a adeverit? Aproape nimic. Doar ca omul tot om ramane si restul sunt basme.
Am citit un articol recent, in care se facea comparatia inversa. Adica ce e acum vis á vis ce a fost atunci in anii '80, avand tocmai la baza cresterea demografica. S-a demonstrat ca desi mor mai multi copii, sunt mai multi refugiati, mor mai multi de foame, totusi raportat la 6 miliarde si nu considerand cifrele singure, situatia s-a imbunatatit sensibil fata de anii '80. Sa fie o intamplare? Pe aceleasi considerente s-a acceptat ca si 20 si 25 de miliarde de oameni au destul loc si destula mancare. Densitatea demografica nu este un motiv de ingrijorare, dimpotriva. Tot acolo s-a demonstrat in cifre ca toleranta si gradul de ordine creste impreuna cu densitatea. Deci nu e motiv de ingrijorare ca s-ar sacrifica unul pe celalalt. In ghetto-uri, unde densitatea e mare, este si numarul de crime ridicat, dar raportat la numarul de locuitori este mai redus si decat la sate unde oamenii au loc unii de altii.
In Europa, global, populatia este in usoara scadere. Desi e motiv de ingrijorare granitele sunt inchise. In China s-a introdus legi de franare a cresterii populatiei. Fara efect. Comparativ, in India, unde sunt la fel peste 1 miliard, nu stiu sa existe o asemenea lege, iar cresterea nu influenteaza nivelul de trai. Deci nu consider ca o densitate demografica ar fi motiv de ingrijorare.
Iar speculativ, discutiile pot aluneca in directii periculoase. Mi-am adus aminte in treacat si de "American History X" cu Eduard Norton. Nu are legatura cu subiectul, dar o interpretare gresita poate avea urmari urate. Se poate juca cu fantezia, trebuie avut insa grija sa ramana doar imaginatie, sa nu devina patima.
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