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Goya - de Andre29 la: 11/09/2006 20:07:49
(la: Muzica)
Francis Goya - Concierto d'aranjuez

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Pt. Nicky - de Little Eagle la: 20/06/2004 01:20:02
(la: Da sau nu pentru avort?)
Dear sister Nicky,

Am stiut ca subiectul meu va duce la dezbateri.Le accept pe acelea simple dar in care simt adevarul si nu o dogmatica bisericeasca si versete din biblie si tot felulde invataturi spuse de unii/unele cafegii si nu am nevoie de lectii de conduita si moralitate "crestineasca" din partea lor celor ce vad doar cuvintele pe hartie si le repeta de se dau cu capul de toti peretii cu toata vorbaria lor.Sa si-o pastreze pt. ei.

Este f. simplu:Daca barbatul nu are la el un condom,femeia mereu trebuie sa aiba cu ea multe si daca el vrea sex fara condom,atunci ea ii spune simplu:NU vezi pasarica deloc atata timp cat nu pui fasul pe tine!Si este perfect de natural si logic sa fie asa.
Chestia cu scosul afara la timp...iti spun eu ca trebuie sa fie barbatul f. detasat si cool sa faca asta,am facut-o deseori,pot s-o fac oricand.
Dar da,este adevarat ce spui,fetele dupa avort au probleme psihologice,isi pierd parte din trupul lor.
E mult mai ieftin sa cumperi un condom decat sa ai un avort.

Nu trebuie sa raspunzi la intrebarile puse de mine,le-am scris ca un ghidaj orientativ.Deja ai raspuns si e de ajuns.
Ceea ce nu suport sunt anume femei(la cafenea) care se considera atotstiutoare si experte in orice tematici pt. ca se ascund in spatele bibliei si nu vorbesc din suflet ci din cuvinte scrise,de parca sunt(de fapt sunt)roboti,alt nume ce-l dau lor este brainwashed.

Ca Dumnezeu a zis asta si ailalta a facut asta si cealalta a interzis asta si a mai interzis alta si de fapt interzice orice,ca e o crima sa te masturbezi,ca e o crima sa ai fantezii sexuale ca cel mai bun lucru e sa te abtii de la cele sexuale.....etc.etc.
Apoi eu personal nu as putea trai linga o femeie care crede in abstinenta,vai de barbatul ei!Cred ca se masturbeaza la nebunie pe ascuns desigur si apoi se face ca ploua.
Lasa domne cartulia aia de-o parte si bucura-te de viata.Nu mai trai in trecut,trecutul e mort!Vreti sa aduceti in prezent timpurile de acum 2000 ani?
Atunci you got another thing coming:TRAITI CA ACUM 2000ANI,e alegerea voastra,duceti-va undeva pe o mare insula cu totii si traiti ca acum 2000 ani.
Dar NU imi dati mie pe gura ipocrizia voastra de falsi credinciosi orbiti de niste cuvinte ce mereu le luati la propriu,nu vedeti nimic intre cuvinte,pt. voi ceea ce-i important este neimportant si viceversa.Eu nu vin peste tine sa te invat ce sa faci cu viata ta,dar tu..religios habotnic care vezi ori in alb ori in negru
vrei sa-mi deschizi ochii? Cine te-a invitat si cine iti da dreptul sa ma fortezi la opinia ta?
Toti ne nastem liberi si fiecare are de ales in viata lui sau ei un drum anume,este scris ca atare pt. fiecare.Ca ai citit biblia si creieru-ti este acum uscat,nu-ti da dreptul sa tragi concluzii si sa te crezi dascalul lumii,esti f. departe de a iubi macar pe Dumnezeu asa cum trebuie iubit!!!!
Eu stiu ca nu-l pot iubi cu adevarat,dar sunt sincer si cand ma rog lui admit asta si incerc sa invat cu adevarat a-l iubi,sunt un om slab si de atatea vieti trecute il caut sa-l descopar si sa-l iubesc,dar voi,zeloti asa zisi credinciosi va bateti cu pumnii in piept ca ati dat peste Dumnezeu si-l iubiti si ascultati.Dogma doar,cult,ritual si bigotism.
Am o veste nu prea buna pt. voi:in toata omenirea daca exista UN(UNUL)adevarat iubitor si credincios in Dumnezeu din 3 milioane!Si pe acesta nimeni nu-l stie caci e modest si nu face gargara din religii si credinte,ar putea fi imbracat doar cu un sac pe el si ar trai intr-o coliba de lut undeve in India,dar este cel mai aproape de Dumnezeu,mai aproape decat orice papistasi si preoti si calugari si asceti chiar.Si Nu face propaganda din cea ce stie el.

Asa ca voi zeloti "crestini"lasati-ne in pace si spuneti-va intre voi cuvintele voastre biblice,nu le raspanditi in lume cand NU aveti menirea si puritatea de a face acest gest rar si unic.

Femeia are drepturi ca si barbatul.este rau sa faci avort,dar in anume cazuri mai delicate,nu exista alta solutie,deci sa nu condamnam far sa stim ce a dus la astfel de decizie.
Repede cu datul cu piatra,mai ales de cei zeloti "bisericosi bigoti".Trebuie sa-i invat eu biblia acum?Cand ei poate au citit-o de mii de ori ?Dar ei vad doar literele!!!
Meher Baba a fost impotriva avortului.A spus ca nu trebuie sa fugim de responsabilitati,sa acceptam viata asa cum vine si sa nu cautam scuze.Sunt impartit in doua....fiind un Baba lover desigur ca el fiind avatarul epocii,apropo
crestini zeloti NU-l mai asteptati pe Jesus....a fost deja intre noi si a plecat,putini au fost cei norocosi de soarta sa stie asta.A stat in mijlocul Creatiei Lui din 1894 la 1969.Dar asa este soarta avatarului,peste multi ani va fi cunoscut de restul omenirii,azi doar citeva milioane in toata lumea stiu cine a fost Meher Baba.

Da, Baba a fost impotriva avortului si a oricaror droguri.Personal totusi consider ca doar in cazuri f. extreme este nevoie de avort.Si sa nu dam cu parul!
Sa fim intelepti si mai deschisi in suflet,ai gresit odata,de doua ori,este ca o lectie,o experienta din care sa inveti si NU ai grija Baba te va ierta mereu!!!
Sa nu continui insa in a perpetua greseala,nu e bine sufletului tau.Se incarca de multa karma negativa si te retine din progresul catre Dumnezeu,vei avea mai multe vieti de trait in viitor in plus de cate vei avea deja de trait.

Dar mai discutam alta data zelosi credinciosi bigoti.Nu puneti la suflet cele scrise de mine,ci lasati de-o parte biblia si ganditi direct cu sufletul nemachiat de cuvinte spuse de altii,fiti voi insiva.

Randurile de fata nu-s o critica adresata nimanui si nicidecum tie Nicky,nu le spun din cuvintele altora ci sunt ale mele.
Cred ca multi din voi la cafenea ar trebui sa studiati daca real vreti sa cunoasteti si sa dati hrana sufletului vostru pe Lao Tzu si disciplina ZEN.
Nu va ancorati doar de biblie,sunt atatea credinte si filosofii in lumea asta ca nu-i de ajuns 100 vieti sa treci prin ele si sa va desteptati din vis....visele pot crea monstri(a la Goya).Descoperiti pe indienii din India ori cei din America,au o spiritualitate deosebit de mare si NU au nevoie de carti si cuvinte dupa care sa se ghideze.Dau un sfat,cine are urecchi sa auda....

Love to you Nicky,
Love&peace,Ozzy(Little Eagle Who Cries)
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#16433 (raspuns la: #16417) comenteaza . modifica . semnaleaza adminului
. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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Interesant de văzut ce cred - de Simeon Dascalul la: 16/05/2005 14:01:30
(la: Dupa 60 de ani)
Interesant de văzut ce cred europenii „vechi”. Dacă nici ei nu au o definiţie mai consistentă a ceea ce înseamnă european, atunci cum să ne lămurim noi?

> o suta de motive obiective de a o justifica
Noi nu le avem nici măcar pe astea. Doar speranţa într-o iesle ceva mai plină, susţinută de analogii: Grecia, Portugalia ante şi post aderare.

> conceptul incarcat de simboluri asadar, de ¨fratricid¨
Probabil ai dreptate şi ei se îndreaptă spre ceva ce depăşeşte conştiinţa naţională. În „Saturn. eseu despre Goya” m-a distrat detaşarea cu care Malraux comenta „3 mai”. Fără cea mai mică urmă de implicare naţională, ca şi cum ar fi fost vorba de un basorelief ilustrând lupta asirienilor cu babilonienii, nu de un masacru franco-spaniol.
Noi categoric n-am ajuns la nivelul ăsta. Poate după vreo douăzeci de ani. Dar pe moment mi s-ar părea mult mai firesc războiul cu vreunul din vecini, decât trupele trimise la arabi.

Uniunea pare o construcţie tare şubredă, valabilă în vremuri de prosperitate şi de pace. Dar cum ar reacţiona o entitate aşa de pluricefală în caz de război? Sau în situaţia mai puţin tragică de criză economică gravă ca în '29?
gina alberta - de cico la: 23/05/2005 21:36:14
(la: Ce cosmaruri aveti?)
am tot timpul cosmaruri...nu voi sta sa le povestesc pentru ca probabil as plictisi...

Ba pe mine m-ai facut al naibii de curios :) Ai inclinatii spre arta? Esti cumva pictorita? Influentata de Goya sau alte picturi de gen?

voi ati avut vreodata astfel de vise constituite, in speta, doar din sentimente?

Interesant ca-n visele mele sint parca sentimentele care creaza personajele si determina actiunea. Virtejul meu era creat si dezvoltat de ce simteam, nu invers. Ai senzatia ca intii simti ceva (teama, frica, spaima) si apoi se intimpla dupa cum simti (de obicei ceva rau, dar nu mereu).
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j'ecoute.... - de Andre29 la: 10/11/2005 22:39:13
(la: muzica buna!!!)
lhasa (olvidarte si terranigma sunt superbe),
Arnaldo Antures si Marisa Monte (albumul Tribalistas si in special 'e voce'),
John Lee Hooker, Count Basie, Muddy Waters, Sarah Vaughan, Louis Armstrong, Leo Sayer, Bobby Darin
Tracy Chapman, Fugees, Elton John (Nikita.....), Enya, Gary Moore, Sting, Natasha Bedingfield, Vangelis (12 o'clock, alpha, I'll find my way home...)
Nicolas de Angelis, Blackmoores Night, Francis Goya (concierto d'aranjuez), Antonio Cobo,
Tudor Gheorghe (Diligenta cu papusi), Alexandru Andries (cea mai frumoasa zi), Florin Chilian (chiar daca...), Directia 5, Andra, Hara, Spin, Paula Seling
Bogardo, Mondial, Aura Urziceanu, Mihaela Oancea (de-ar stii omul dinainte)

doar cativa din favoriti... sunt totusi multi mega de muzica la mine pe hard :) :) :) :)

In ultima vreme - de Andre29 la: 14/01/2006 21:09:14
(la: Ce melodie iubiti acum?)
In ultima perioada ma atrage mai mult decat de obicei muzica sud-americana si sunetul de chitara... imi regasesc in ele durerea si uneori speranta, bucuria pierduta si tristetea regasita... din pacate... Jose Alfredo Jimenez, Buena Vista Social Club, Mercedes Sosa, Stan Getz, Joao Gilberto, Francis Goya ...
doctors - de Homo Stultus la: 05/03/2006 10:49:40
(la: Unde ne sunt valorile?!)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

NU m`am gandit niciodata in felul asta. Eu consider ca imi insusesc un sistem de valori pentru ca ma ajuta sa obtin o implinire interioara. Crezul personal e bun atat timp cat iti imbunatateste relatia pe care o ai in primul rand cu tine si mai apoi cu ceilalti. Daca eu consider ca e bine sa fiu onest asta nu inseamna ca astept vreo recunoastere sau vreo apreciere din parte celorlalti, cu atat mai putin nu astept sa mi se promita un loc de munca mai bine platit. Aici e o mica problema. Daca sunt bun pentru ca astept ceva de la ceilalti mai sunt cu adevarat bun? In esenta vreau sa zic. Tocmai de aceea sunt foarte rari oamenii care chiar experimenteaza in fiinta lor valorile pe care le afirma. Cu alte cuvinte valorile sunt un "bun" in sine. Ele sunt obiective de atins nu mijloace catre altceva. Deci tanarului trebuie sa i se propuna anumite valori ca bune in sine. Altfel ar fi o mare pacaleala avand in vedere tipul de societate in care ne manifestam si tanarul respectiv s`ar simti mai apoi tradat renuntand la niste valori pe care nici macar nu a apucat sa si le improprieze in sinele launtric.
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Constiinta trece prin stomac... - de Homo Stultus la: 05/03/2006 11:29:20
(la: Unde ne sunt valorile?!)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

Se poate. Dar daca ne limitam la asta nu suntem altceva decat niste brute care si-au facut din pantece un dumnezeu. Acest tip de discurs tipic comunismului este cel pe care incerc prin tot ceea ce fac sa-l resping. Pericolul cel mai mare pe care il identific intr-o atitudine de acest tip este dezumanizarea. Daca constiinta trece prin stomac atunci imi pot vinde linistit sufletul pentru un blid de linte. Nu am pretentia ca modul meu de gandire ar fi normativ, departe de mine aceasta intentie. Argumentele pe care le oferi sunt valabile daca suntem dispusi sa ramanem la margine de fiintare. Pana la urma o traire strict instinctuala este destul de comoda. Istoria omeneasca arata ca cei ce isi urmeaza crezul pana la capat sunt cei ce aduc progres cu adevarat. Valorile pe care le urmam ca sa primim laude se transforma cu tot continutul lor pozitiv in nonvalori. Spun asta pentru ca nu cred in fariseismul elevului "bun" care invata pentru nota. Daca nu te investesti cu adevarat si integral in ceea ce faci atunci mai bine sa renunti. Daca invat pentru a obtine o recunoastere efemera la sfarsit voi suferi pentru ca raman fara motivatie. Imi insusesc anumite valori pentru ca eu vad in ele posibilitatea de a ma descoperi pe mine insumi in relatia pe care o am in "de sine" dar si in deschiderea catre celalalt.
Renuntarea la scoala are cauze atat de numeroase si de complexe incat chiar incercarea de a le enunta rapeste prea mult timp. O sa ofer insa nishte factori: saracia, inconstienta parintilor, anumite elemente traditionale in cazul rromilor fetele nu termina decat foarte rar opt clase*, modul in care scoala romaneasca isi intelege misiunea etc.
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cine ... - de Homo Stultus la: 05/03/2006 11:50:17
(la: Unde ne sunt valorile?!)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

spune ca e usor? Eu adesori ma lupt cu mine insumi sa-mi gasesc o motivatie pentru ceea ce fac in afara de aceea "pentru ca trebuie"*. Depinde de fiecare sa gaseasca resorturile necesare pentru a putea continua. Stii e destul de grea incercarea de a ramane viu. Dar eu consider ca merita.
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nu... - de Homo Stultus la: 05/03/2006 12:05:19
(la: Unde ne sunt valorile?!)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

sunt prea sigur ca un copil judeca doar prin instincte. Important este sa poti fi un model pentru ca majoritatea copiilor (ma refer la perioada de preadolescenta) invata prin imitatie. La adolescenti lucrurile stau putin altfel aici este important sa ai argumente. Ori daca tu nu crezi in ceea ce le propui ei de ce ar crede?

P.S. Am obosit - atatea intrebari doar la X -C mai gasesti :))
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Ta Biblia - de Homo Stultus la: 06/03/2006 18:55:51
(la: de ce credeti in dumnezeu?)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

"e ft adevarat ca biblia s-a modificat de-a lungului timpului..." Nu stiu de unde ai aceasta informatie sau daca exista cineva in lume care poate demonstra cu argumente pertinente ca s`a petrecut ceva de genul asta. Sunt foarte multi oameni care isi dau cu parerea referitor la Biblie putin stiu insa despre ce vorbesc. De exemplu 99 la suta din cei pe care ii intrebi nu stiu nici macar cum s`a format canonul biblic dar se gasesc destui care sa sustina ca acesta a fost modificat de catre "popi" adica de Biserica. Definitivarea canonului cartile continute Bibliei este legata de persoana Sfantului Atanasie cel Mare la Sinodul de la Niceea (325 d. Hr.) sau Sinodul I Ecumenic cum este mai bine cunoscut. Acesta (Sfantul Atanasie) impreuna cu toti ceilalti prezenti acolo cler si mireni au considerat demne de trecut in canonul Bibliei doar acele carti a caror autenticitate nu poate fi pusa la indoiala. Pana in prezent Biserica pastreaza aceleasi carti. Despre continut este iar mult de discutat. S`au avut in vedere mai multe traduceri si codici. De exemplu continutul cartilor trebuie sa se regaseasca in toate traducerile importante. n.b. traduceri folosite Septanta traducere in limba greaca facuta de saptezeci si doi de batrani evrei in Alexandria in timpul dinastiei seleucizilor - urmasi ai lui Alexandru cel Mare*, Septuaginta o traducere in latina a versiunii grecesti*, Vulgata limba latina populara etc. Bineinteles ca aici e vorba de Vechiul Testament dar se pot gasi argumente pentru autenticitatea cartilor Noului Testament. Sunt mai multe dimensiuni care s`au avut in vedere / autorul cartilor, perioada in care au fost scrise precum si caracterul lor inspirat (cel mai important). De multe ori se accentueaza importanta Bibliei in defavoarea elementelor de Traditie. Nu trebuie omis faptul ca pana in secolul patru cartile Bibliei circulau separat marea parte a Noului Testament fiind epistole sau scrisori inclusiv Evanghelia a treia care ii este adresata unui anume Teofil Deci pana in secolul patru nu se poate vorbi de Biblie asa cum o stim noi. Scrierile Noului Testament s`au incheiat insa in jurul anului 96 d. Hr cand Sfantul Apostol Ioan a scris Apocalipsa sau Revelatia. Nu cred ca va gasi cineva un istoric de valoare care sa puna la indoiala continutul cartilor Bibliei sau vreuna din aceste carti.
Biblia a fost data de Dumnezeu oamenilor; ea a fost pastrata si definitivata in Biserica toti autorii Noului Testament nu numai ca erau membrii ai Bisericii dar erau cei care fondau Biserica pe sangele lui Hristos Cel Inviat*. Afirmatia ca Biblia s`a modificat de`a lungul timpului mi se pare nerealista si neargumentata. Chiar as fi curios sa vina cineva cu argumente realiste pentru a sprijini acest tip de discurs.
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nu am incotro - de Homo Stultus la: 07/03/2006 14:50:10
(la: Exista oameni cu adevarat prosti?)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

trebuie sa cred ca exista. Doar sunt dovada vie. :P
Istoria si istoricii - de Homo Stultus la: 07/03/2006 19:17:36
(la: de ce credeti in dumnezeu?)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

Istoricii greci/romani contemporani nu le amintesc pentru ca in primele trei secole religia crestina nu era tolerata. Mai mult incepand cu imparatul Caligula dar mai ales cu Nero incep asa numitele persecutii sistematice impotriva crestinilor. Nu era prea intelept sa`ti asociezi numele cu acesti "galileeni" cum sunt numiti chiar in sursele contemporane. Cu toate acestea se gasesc surse crestine si necrestine cu privire la continutul Evangheliei. Didahia de exemplu aprox anul 106 mai exista si asa numitul izvor Q quelle sau daca preferi in greaca Ta Loghia to CHristu loghioanele*, scrierile apologetice ale vremii sunt adresate unor personaje istorice incontestabile imparati, demnitari, judecatori si au primit raspuns. Exista chiar surse care ii acuza pe crestini ca marturisesc ceea ce cred Celsius impotriva caruia Origen scrie ceva mai tarziu este un bun exemplu. Actele martirice (documente oficiale prin care se trimiteau la moarte crestinii) contin de asemenea si elemente de doctrina crestina ce se pot identifica cu usurinta in canonul Noului Testament. Alte exemple Iustin Martirul si Filosoful, Ignatie Teoforul, Clement Alexandrinul, Clement Romanul etc. Toti au trait in era Apostolica sf sec I si secolul II*. Toti acestia ofera marturii clare asupra textelor pe care le considerau ca facand parte din Biblie precum si fragmente citate din cartile Noului si Vechiului Testament.
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pentru zaraza sc cred ca... - de Homo Stultus la: 07/03/2006 21:27:36
(la: Unde ne sunt valorile?!)
"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

ai gresit adresa. rechizitoriul nu`mi este adresat mie ci unui mesaj al carui titlu are pseudonimul meu. asta daca intr`adevar ai citit postarile mele semnate de mine*de la aceasta conferinta. :))
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deci - de Homo Stultus la: 08/03/2006 16:56:37
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"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

pana la urma cat costa kilogramul de valoare?
exista comentarii la evanghelii - de Homo Stultus la: 08/03/2006 17:22:15
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"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

datand din primele secole. Acestea analizeaza evangheliile sau parti din Vechiul Testament verset cu verset. Imi vin in minte mai multe exemple. Ma voi limita sa amintesc doar cateva : "Comentarii la hexaemeron" Cartea Facerii" a Sfantului Vasile cel Mare, "Omilii la Matei" a Sfantului Ioan Hrisostom si multe altele. Dintre moderni sunt o gramada care argumenteaza evenimentele din Biblie arheologic. Nu ar strica sa arunci o privire pe Arheologia Vechiului si Noului Testament a lui Keller. Pentru cine doreste se gasesc o gramada de argumente interne si externe care sa sustina autenticitatea evenimentelor din Biblie. Spui ca argumentatia mea cade la o analiza mai atenta. As dori daca se poate sa expui mai pe larg temeiurile care te indreptatesc sa faci o asemenea afirmatie. Eu am facut in textele mele cateva trimiteri si daca este nevoie o sa detaliez. Ma vad nevoit sa repet, nu consider ca viziunea mea este normativa dar as dori nishte argumente ample. Este foarte usor sa faci afirmatii generale uneori gratuite. Pana la urma toti ne pricepem cand vine vorba de Biblie. Sunt curios cati sunt cei care au citit macar o data textul integral al acesteia. 'libertatea academica' la care te referi este destul de relativa. Imi permit o intrebare: Ce istoric a avut curajul sa spuna ca nero este nebun atunci cand acesta traia inca? Bineinteles ca dupa razboi multi viteji se arata. Vad ca ai ocolit trimiterea mea catre actele martirice (acte oficiale in imperiul Roman). Te rog sa arati care sunt argumentele tale. Pana acum nu ai facut o critica constructiva si cred ca e timpul sa argumentezi pozitia ta asa cum se cuvine nu doar prin negare.
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pai cu porcii tocmai asta era paradoxul - de Homo Stultus la: 08/03/2006 19:15:19
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"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

ca acei ghergheseni faceau un lucru interzis. Nu spune nimeni ca ii si consumau. Nu trebuie uitat insa ca Palestina era provincie romana de peste 100 de ani. Garnizoanele romane nu aveau vreo restrictie la carnea de porc. Evreii care au cel mai fin simt al afacerilor nu puteau rata oportunitatea de a scoate nishte easy money. Daca e sa judecam prin prisma lantului cauza - efect asta trebuie sa o explicatie foarte plauzibila. Indraznesc sa pun pe tapet inca un element. In catacombele de la Roma unde se refugiasera crestinii a fost descoperita o pictura ce reprezinta scena blandului pastor a carei vechime s`a stabilit prin datarea cu metoda carbon 14 in anul 98*. Aceasta scena se intalneste doar intr`un singur loc din literatura crestina primara si anume in Evanghelia a IV-a a Sfantului Evanghelist Ioan. Mai mult decat atat Sf. Luca adreseaza atat Evanghelia cat si Faptele Apostolior lui Teofil mentionand in cuprinsul ei nume ale unor demnitari contemporani. Este greu de crezut ca Biserica Crestina ar fi putut sa se dezvolte pe o minciuna mai ales daca avem in vedere contextul istoric. Nu stiu daca ai auzit despre lumina de la ierusalim. Eu personal nu sunt un exeget biblic specializarea mea fiind de o cu totul alta natura. Totusi am reusit sa gasesc destul de multe argumente pentru autenticitatea Bibliei. Inca un aspect; recensamantul pomenit la nasterea lui Hristos (cel care a prilejuit calatoria de la Nazareth la Betleem) este un fapt istoric intamplat pe timpul imparatului Octavian Augustus. n.b. am facut intr`unul dintre mesaje trimitere la anumiti martiri crestini care au traiti in imediatitatea vietii lui Iisus intrand in contact direct cu Apostolii. Acestia au lasat in urma diverse scrieri care citeaza uneori fragmente din continutul Scripturii. Ideea ca Evangheliile si celelalte carti ale Noului Testament ar fi doar nishte scorneli tarzii este nerealista si tocmai de aceea mai degraba improbabila.
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rsi - de Homo Stultus la: 08/03/2006 19:58:34
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"Somnul ratiunii naste monstrii" - Goya

Acel recensamant a avut loc in anul 753 ad urbe condita. adica pe undeva pe la anul 4 i.e.n. Gresala vine din calculul pe care Dionisie Exiguul l`a facut. In legatura cu faptul ca as dori sau nu sa`mi justific pseudonimul nu vad ce legatura are cu un fapt ajuns deja anecdotic acela ca evreii se pricep sa faca afaceri. Nu sunt antisemit dar nu pot permite o insulta din partea unui om fie el si evreu asa ca daca vrei sa ne insultam treci pe privat. Prin faptul ca Palestina nu era propice pentru alte activitati evreii din antichitate s`au ocupat cu precadere de cresterea animalelor (cu precadere oi) si de comert - asta e un fapt istoric. Dreptul de intai nascut a lui Iacob este castigat in urma unui targ. Observ cat de usor se arunca gratuitati. Daca problemele vin din frustrare atunci o sa am o compasiune...crestina.
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