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of - de vania la: 13/09/2006 00:23:29
(la: Pictori şi picturi)
Dali - pentru "Vis de trezire generat de zborul unei albine in jurul unei rodii, cu o secunda inainte de trezire" (ha! ce poezie de titlu!), care mi-a deblocat minimul de simt plastic pe care il am. si pentru "Meditative rose", atat de plin in pustiul colorat. si pentru "Gara din Perpignan" , si pentru "Painea nucleara", si pentru acea perspectiva dementiala din Rastignirea lui Hristos si... a.m.d.

Arcimboldo - dupa parerea-mi, cel mai notoriu caz de artist care a luat-o cu prea multe secole inaintea contimporanilor...mergand inapoi, la biologie

Michelangelo - cum sa nu simti aripi de inger in spatele tau cand te uiti la "Judecata"?

Munch - pe cine nu l-au luat fiorii cand a vazut i-a vazut celebrul "Scream"?

Bosch - cu cine o fi Vorbit el inainte de a picta "Judecata de apoi"?

Magritte pentru eterul nevazut de pe panze.

Goya - tragicul ala de tip spaniol, care ti se prinde de suflet si iti ravaseste simtirile..."Timpul", "Colosul", "Disasters of war" ...
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Presa si fotografia - de Dinu Lazar la: 19/12/2003 00:43:00
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
2 Time Magazine Journalists Hurt in Iraq
By The Associated Press

19 December 2003

(AP) -- A senior reporter and a veteran photographer for Time magazine
were wounded along with two U.S. soldiers when a grenade was tossed into
their Humvee, the military and the magazine said Thursday.

Time senior correspondent Michael Weisskopf and contributing
photographer James Nachtwey were traveling with a U.S. Army patrol in
Baghdad on Wednesday night when the attack occurred, a statement from Time
managing editor Jim Kelly said.

A military spokesman said they were with a unit of the Army's 1st
Armored Division.

The military official, who spoke only condition of anonymity, said one
of the journalists was severely wounded and the other was slightly injured.
Time said both were in stable condition and were awaiting transfer to a U.S.
military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany.

Nachtwey is an award-winning photographer known for haunting images of
war and poverty. He was the subject of a 2001 Oscar-nominated documentary,
"War Photographer," and has won many awards. This year he shared a $1
million Dan David prize for documenting "the apocalyptic events of our

Weisskopf is an award-winning correspondent based in Washington. He
covers national politics and investigations and was a finalist in the 1996
Pulitzer Prize for national reporting.

The Paris-based World Association of Newspapers has said that at least
16 journalists have been killed in Iraq this year. Many others have been

In the last known incident, police said the editor of an independent
newspaper in the northern city of Mosul was shot and killed on Oct. 28.
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Cum sa faci poze cind nu ai de nici unele si esti si arestat - de Dinu Lazar la: 28/05/2004 00:53:13
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Only Photographic Documentation of Japanese World War II POW ============================================================
[2004-05-26] An interesting story by Bill Fairley appeared in the Fort Worth, Texas, "Star Telegram" today regarding a Japanese prisoner of war during World War II and a pinhole camera. A Japanese officer supplied POW Terence Kirk "with the things he needed to fashion a box camera with a pinhole aperture. The resulting photos are the only documentation of Japanese mistreatment of American and allied POWs."...

Read full story at
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De uichend - de Dinu Lazar la: 18/06/2004 08:48:34
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Pen`ca vine uichendu`, imi face placere sa va indrept catre o lectura foarte placuta, care arata ca fotografia editoriala merge inainte, nu e impotmolita si ragushita si moarta ca la noi:

PDNOnline has been updated with the latest news.

-A preview of some exhibits and evening slide shows planned for this year's Visa Pour l'Image in Perpignan reveals there will be a few "softer" photo essays among the usual images of war and destruction. (Be sure to click on the More Images feature).

-The fight over the freelance contract from The New York Times may be over soon. We detail the paper's concessions and find out what the changes mean to the photographers who capitulated to the earlier agreement.

-Ad news: Behind the scenes of two new campaigns for two different energy companies -- including the photographers the ad agencies considered and eventually rejected. (Be sure to click on the More Images feature).

-People on the Move: People magazine's photo department loses its veteran leader; turnover continues at New York magazine; a new executive creative director takes over at J.
Walter Thompson; a former art director becomes a rep at Marnie Rose Agency; news from Nicki Peters & Associates. ($ premium for subscribers only).

-A new photo festival is being launched on the banks of the East River in New York; organizers Jimmy Moffat of Art + Commerce and educator Stephen Frailey are looking for emerging photographers to exhibit.

-ASMP Foundation unveils its new grant program, and names new members to the board.

PDN Photo Annual

Have you visited the online gallery showcasing this year's winners of the PDN Photo Annual? You can view an array of beautiful and interesting images, and see the contact information for each of the honored photographers, magazines, book publishers, web designers and art directors.
Also, readers can cast their votes for their favorite image in each of the six categories. The stakes are high: The photographer who wins the most votes in each category receives a free portfolio on Photoserve for one year. Maybe that's why the voting has been so intense in some categories.
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Pt Ozzy Kowalski - de OmuletulGoma la: 09/08/2004 08:53:50
(la: Preferati muzica)
Frate sa ma ierti, dar ma raliez Frumoasei in apararea Abbei. Ei nu au cantat pop, au cantat ABBA. Si cu toate ca nu ajung nici la glezna lui Dylan, au avut si ei farmecul lor.

Si pentru ca tot am ajuns la Dylan, am sa deschid un subiect care a fost mult comentat. Ce parere ai despre felul in care "he sold out to the establishment" (sa vandut)? Cred ca stii la ce ma refer - reclama la Victoria Secret. Faina reclama, n-am ce zice, dar ...

Black Sabath mi-au placut si mie mult. Ei, Iron Maiden si Judas Priest. In liceu ii ascultam mult. Si Accept si Led Zeppelin si Deep Purple, dar mai ales Scorpions (pana prin '89, ca dup'aia s-au cam comercializat). Acum m-am prostit, cand am timp ascult comentarii politice.

Din BS imi placea tare mult (trebuie sa recunosc, motive personale) un cantec care de fapt nu ii reprezinta deloc - "She's gone". La un moment dat mi-am facut o caseta numai cu aceasta melodie repetata intr-una. Eh, ce vrei, ticneli de adolescent indragostit. Acum am femeia, nu-mi mai trebuie melodia. Dar cand se intampla sa o mai aud inca imi umezeste ochii.

Dar sa ne intoarcem la Dylan. Nu ma rabda inima si voi posta un cantec de-al lui care este extraordinar de actual cu toate ca a fost scris prin anii '60. Imi cer iertare ne-cititorilor de engleza, dar nu voi avea tupeul de a atenta o traducere asa cum facea un guitator mentionat de tine mai devreme.

Masters of War

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

I am only one, but I AM one!
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Henri Cartier-Bresson (1908 – 2004), fotograf - OMAGIU - de ovidiusimina la: 11/08/2004 10:54:33
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
« Au fond, ce n’est pas la photo en soi qui
m’interesse. Ce qui je veux c’est de capter une
fraction de seconde du réel »

Henri Cartier-Bresson (1908 – 2004)

Kingdoms of the world in a moment

Aug 5th 2004, From The Economist print edition

Henri Cartier-Bresson, whose photographs defined the
20th century, died on August 3rd at the age of 95

ALTHOUGH his name was familiar almost everywhere, far
more so indeed than his work, Henri Cartier-Bresson
himself was not a familiar sight. With his alert blue
eyes and a coloured handkerchief knotted round his
neck, he would wander the streets near his home on
Paris's rue de Rivoli and seldom be recognised. One of
the greatest photographers of the 20th century was
himself rarely photographed.

In his lifetime, he travelled to all corners of the
earth, capturing images of some of the most
extraordinary moments of 20th-century history—the
Spanish civil war, the liberation of Paris after the
second world war and the funeral of Mahatma Gandhi. At
the same time he framed and preserved less famous
moments, elevating them with his genius so that they
somehow seemed to capture the essence of life itself.

His unequalled ability to seize a millisecond in time
was uncanny. In his book “The Decisive Moment”,
published in 1952, he wrote: “It is the simultaneous
recognition, in a fraction of a second, of the
significance of an event as well as a precise
organisation of forms, which give that event its
proper expression.” He was never very interested in
the technology of photography, in the effects that
could be obtained during developing and editing in a
dark room. It was all about the thrill of the chase,
the chance to seize a moment.

The man who first inspired Mr Cartier-Bresson was a
photographer called Martin Munkacsi, whose picture of
naked African boys running into Lake Tanganyika in
1931 persuaded him to take photography seriously. “I
couldn't believe that such a thing could be caught on
camera,” he said, “so I grabbed my Leica and went out
into the street.”

Between 1932 and 1935, he lived rough in Italy, Mexico
and Spain where he took some of his most memorable
images. Back in Paris he worked with Jean Renoir, a
film director, and ended up playing the unlikely role
of an English servant in the director's masterpiece,
“La Règle du Jeu”. He was a prisoner-of-war for three
years, and after the war was one of the founders of
the Magnum agency, a trail-blazing photographers'
co-operative. In 1948 he went on the road again,
mostly to India and China (in time for the fall of
Chiang Kai-shek), in an age when the images of
photojournalists like him filled the pages of picture
magazines that were, in the pre-television era,
hungrily viewed by millions.

Unassuming genius
For the last quarter of a century, Mr Cartier-Bresson
eschewed photography, taking only the occasional
snapshot of friends and family, and turning his
attention to drawing. (He trained originally as a
painter, his early work influenced by his friend, the
surrealist artist Max Ernst.) He maintained that he
scarcely wanted to discuss photography any more. “It's
like when you're divorced”, he said, “and people keep
asking about your former wife. There's something
indecent about it.”

He settled into a quiet life in France—in Paris and in
the small house that he owned for some 30 years in the
Lubéron, a region in the south of the country, to the
east of Avignon. And there he died on Tuesday August
3rd, just less than three weeks away from his 96th

Mr Cartier-Bresson always said that to be a great
photographer you had to be unintrusive. “For me,
photography is very much a physical pleasure—it's like
hunting, except that we don't kill.” At the height of
his career he would stalk his subjects, and his quarry
would often be unaware that it had been captured on
film. His desire to remain out of the limelight stayed
with him to the end, including his wish to hold back
the world's photographers from the funeral of one of
the greatest of them.

His funeral was a private affair attended by some 50
family and close friends. Only after it had ended did
the French Ministry of Culture make an official
announcement of his death. And the next day, August
5th, many of his most famous images were splashed
across the front pages of newspapers the world over: a
woman slapping an informer she recognises at a
deportation camp in Dessau in 1945; Muslim women in
Srinagar, Kashmir, praying to the sun as it rises over
the distant Himalayas; and a French family picnicking
by the River Marne in 1938, almost a last pre-war
moment of stillness.

Of Mr Cartier-Bresson's death, President Jacques
Chirac said: “With him, France loses a genius
photographer, a true master, and one of the most
gifted artists of his generation.” But it is not only
France's loss. Mr Cartier-Bresson's fame, which grew
despite his efforts to avoid it, reminds a much wider
world of its persistent admiration for unassuming
genius, and of the dwindling stock of targets for that


La famille d'Henri Cartier-Bresson, la Fondation Henri
Cartier-Bresson, les photographes et l'équipe de
Magnum Photos ont la tristesse de vous annoncer le
décès d'Henri Cartier-Bresson le 3 Août à 9h30 dans sa
maison du Luberon.Les obsèques ont eu lieu dans la
plus grande intimité. Un hommage sera organisé à sa
mémoire début septembre.

Mai multe informatii referitoare la persoanlitatea si opera lui Henri Cartier-Bresson puteti gasi pe site-ul MAGNUM Agency, fondata de HCB. Adresa este , asa cum s-a mai spus pe acest forum de discutii. Intr-adevar, acolo putem vedea cu totii niste fotografii. Adevarate...

din Bucuresti, un biet ucenic intr-ale fotografiei, Ovidiu SIMINA
Gopo - de Little Eagle la: 16/08/2004 21:25:19
(la: Mitul dualitatii)
Listen,poate multi nu vor vedea o legatura intre textul tau si cuvintele cantecului ce redau jos,dar ele exista daca stii sa vezi.

MOTORHEAD,albumul "Bastards" din 1993,desigur ca Lemmy Kilmister e compozitor si se poate sa nu fi auzit cineva de acest grup pornit in deschis concerte pt. Black Sabbath....dar oare cine nu?Nu o sa credeti cei ce veti citi,dar si grupuri ca YES si PINK FLOYD au deschis concerte la B.S.!

Deci cantecul este numit "Bastards":

I saw the millions,the naked and the dead
I saw the city streets running bloody red
I saw a thousand bombers circle in the sky
I saw the firestorm fifty stores high
I saw a hundred thousand scream and burn
I saw the armored wheels grind and turn
Universal soldier,doomed to live and tell
Fight and die forever,burn in bloody hell.

Death or glory death or glory
March forever in the sound and fury
Death or glory death or glory

Blood and iron it's the same old story
I held the Iron Cross,first class with the swords
I marched with Hitler down the bloody road of war
I was at Jutland loading'till the gun was hot
Killed at Trafalgar without firing a shot,
I was at Moscow burning in my tank
I was at Shiloh,marching in the ranks
I was a sturbannfuhrer fighting in Berlin
I was a Russian hero dying for Stalin.

Blood and iron it's the same old story
Die forever in the sound and fury
Death and glory death and glory(2X)

I swung a saber and I was a young Hussar
I was a Cossack,fighting for the Czar
I was a Viking,Berserker from the North
A Roman Gladiator murdered just for sport
I was with Bonaparte,I died at Waterloo
I was a Frankish Knight,a Polish Jew
I was a Spartan in the Trojan Wars
I was a warrior for Crazy Horse.

Death or glory death or glory(4X)

The loner Survivor,but not comfort for me
Death or glory(2X)
Executioner,Judge and Jury
Death or glory death or glory(2X)
Auf Stehen"


tu ii numesti anti-americani?!... - de PRIBEAGUL la: 04/02/2005 05:50:53
(la: Ce regretati de pe vremea lui Ceausescu?)
***anti-occidentalism si mai ales anti-americanism patologic, similar gruparilor HizbAllah etc. **

Cine poate sa fie pro-american cind cei care pretind ca apara democratia si pacea, de fapt gindesc in felul urmator:
It's fun to shoot some people: US General
10:19 AM February 4
A senior US Marine Corps General who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials have said.
Lieutenant General James Mattis, who led troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego.
"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling," said Lt Gen Mattis.
"You go into Afghanistan, Lt Gen Mattis said during a panel discussion.
"You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

The audience laughed and applauded after he made his remarks, which were shown on US television.

In a statement, General Michael Hagee, commander of the Marine Corps, praised Lt Gen Mattis as "one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders".
"While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war," Gen Hagee said.

HAHAHA... alba - neagra... sus de sapte, jos de sapte si la mijloc de trei ori...

A lot of a fun to shoot people!!! OK guys lets have fun strat shooting at me... hahahaha...
Poti sa ma numesti anit-american daca vrei dar nu voi accepta declaratiile Lt Gen Mattis. Poate si copii lui au fun, iau pusca lui tac'su si se duc la scoala sa impuste citiva colegi...

Daca vrei sa afli mai multe motive pentru care unii devin "anti-americani" iti pot atasa transcriptul interviului de asta noapte a lui Rumsfeld la programul lui Larry King.

Good bye little american puppet. God be with you!

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cu mandrie va aduc...De unde vin - de Adela Adriana Moscu la: 21/02/2005 19:53:52
(la: Romanii vazuti de romani)

I come from the lands of

the Carpathians Mountains,

where the river of Somes

bears witness to many lovers

soothing each other’s wounds

dreaming for lands of opportunity,

the land of Freedom...

From the Heart of Transylvania

I bring you ballads of longing,

dances of passion, and soothing lullabies.

It was a sunny day of August

I flew over the Ocean of Atlantic

American skies of the seventies

caressed me with their international winds,

lit the path of my destiny

with their bright stars...

So much to see...

so much to feel...

so much to learn...

My open heart absorbed it all,

embraced it all...

So thirsty was my soul for self expression,

My every cell was burning with desire to

make a difference in the hearts

of those who suffer.

I wanted to make beauty

for the sake of healing...

Between two cultures I

I pray for peace,

and here I am

a Citizen of the World

wishing to hug all who are lost,

who are forgotten in the shadows of

indifference, prejudice and hate.

I come from the lands

where birds sing a romance language,

petals of roses are transformed into jams,

flowers of elderberry are made into cold juices

cups of words are found at every corner

with a smile of hope,

red wines overflow at cozy taverns

and no one is alone on holidays,

where friendship lasts a life time

and everyone still has a dream.

Copyright- Adela-Adriana Moscu , January 10, 2005, Lancaster, PA, USA

more poems at and
Mafia nu doarme - de Dinu Lazar la: 09/03/2005 08:14:56
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Internetul e o chestie si minunata si intunecoasa, care serveste perfect atit multor chestii pozitive, cit si unor mafioti care descopera un cimp aproape perfect de actiune.

Scrisorile cu "sunt fiul regelui Bulipasha al treilea, lucrez cu diamante si mama e baroneasa Bingstein si suntem urmariti si trebuie sa pun banii familiei undeva la fereala si am reizeci de milioane de dolari pe care vrau sa-i impart cu Dvs, fiindu-mi recomandat de alti prieteni comuni ca un om de onoare si capabil, dati-mi contul pe care il aveti sa va pun milioanele care este" au devenit fumate.

Profesiunile liberale si firmele mai prezente pe net sunt luate la ochi cu mare grija de mafioti.

Acum deci si fotografii romani mai rasariti si prezenti cu afacerea pe net vor primi scrisori mai personalizate, in genul:


My name is the Prince J from Burkina, my fiancee and I will be getting married on the 28th, of May 2005 at Holy Trinity Church. 15, ave C, Orleans, France.
we are looking for the best wedding Photographer that will capture the details and emotions that wil make the day special in the minds and hearts of everyone involved.

We will want you to work for at least 6 Hours at the occasion and if you are out of france ,we will pay the transportation charges to and from the party venue so indicate in your email if you are out of France and state what it will costs to get you to the party company.

However,I will be making the payment by means of a Cheque.
Let me have your full names,Address,Phone Number,Cellular Number, bank account, your card serial number and the pin of the card, where a Cheque will be mailed to for payment.Moreso,should you be out of France,the Hotel accomodation will be provided for by me.

Tare taica!

Imposibil sa nu gaseasca nigerianu` niste fotografi romani mindri ca sunt invitati in tzara parfumului francez unde fotografii de wedding au murit subit si unde scoala romaneasca de fotografie e apreciata la cea mai inalta valoare, meritata de altfel dupa cum vedem in inalta calitate artistica si tehnica a imaginilor romanesti care matura de zor imaginile europene devenite brusc de tot rahatu`.

Invitatii fotografi vor pune botu` si vor merge la impushcat francu` la propriu si la figurat si se vor mira tare mult cum devine cazu de s-au fraierit si in ce dandanale au intrat si la ce naiba trebuia seria si pinul cardului ca sa faca ala un cec.

Traiasca fotografia romaneasca, in sfirsit recunoscuta de cine trebuie cind trebuie.

Si e numai inceputul.
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AOP & AOI Exhibition Call for Entries - de Dinu Lazar la: 03/11/2005 21:33:57
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Sublime: Representations of Awe in Contemporary Culture Deadline for
entries: 25 November

Inspired by recent imagery of the forces of nature and scenes of war, this exhibition is a unique opportunity for photographers and illustrators worldwide to submit images they feel depict contemporary visions of the sublime. The curatorial team will be selecting work in both media to form Sublime, to be on show at the AOP Gallery, London, from 5 to 26 January 2006. Download your entry pack now including entry forms and guidelines plus further information on the Sublime at <> or contact Stella on +44 (0)20 7324 7222
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de ce mi-am permis.. - de cosmacpan la: 13/11/2005 13:40:00
(la: Decat sa planga mama, mai bine ma-sa!)
sa postez aceste articole din Constitutia Americana? pentru ca rostul legii este sa te apere pe tine ca persoana, sa-ti apere proprietatea fizica si intelectuala si sa te expuna judecatii in cazul in care esti vinovat. plecand de la preceptele religioase ale legii talionului (dinte pentru dinte si ochi pentru ochi) ajungem la legea iubirii a Lui marturisita in litera evangheliilor. cred ca asa cum bine spune: "cel fara de pacat sa ridice primul piatra". nu stiu nici ce a fost in mintea celui ucis nu stiu nici ce va fi in sufletul celui care a ucis. dar spectrul si amintirea momentului banui ca va plana deasupra si-l va marca pentru tot restul vietii.

Article [IV.]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Article [V.]
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Article [VI.]
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Mogecri - de Cassandra la: 02/03/2006 22:26:59
(la: Caricaturile lui Mahomed)
"cand se spune credinciosi se au in vedere acele persoane cu calitati atat de pozitive incat pot fii numiti sfinti , indiferent de religia lor. cand se spune necredinciosi se au in vedere acele persoane cu calitati atat de negative incat pot fii numiti diavoli, indiferent de religia lor. cred ca la asta se refera coranul ."

E adevarat ca in multe locuri din Coran se vorbeste despre "necredinciosi" fara sa-i defineasca, dar spune-mi nu este absolut clar la cine se refera in urmatoarele versete?:

5:51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

5:57 O Ye who believe! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.

5:64 The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

PS Si dupa parerea ta daca astea sint definitiile credinciosilor (aproape sfinti) si a necredinciosilor (aproape diavoli), unde se refera Coranul la restul oamenilor care practic sint majoritatea?
"The more sand has escaped from the hourglass of our life, the clearer we should see through it" Niccolo Machiavelli
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*** - de jeniffer la: 23/05/2007 23:26:34
(la: gazeta de perete 2)
Incearca jocul God of War 2, ps2.
Izmenele peticite - de ampop la: 20/03/2008 08:07:27
(la: Izmenele rupte)
Se pare ca Bush a permis deja livrarea de armament catre kosovarii albanezi.Pe cand Putin va purcede la alimentarea sarbilor? God save the lords of war!
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mah, - de maan la: 01/04/2008 16:24:30 Modificat la: 01/04/2008 16:25:45
(la: Mamă de împrumut )
ca sa fiu si io serioasa, desi am draci (independenti de cafenea!) - am cetit undeva o fraza care suna cam asa:
"Peace is not the absence of war but the presence of justice.”
fireste, exista o mica diferenta intre scandal si razboi ...da' totusi...
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adina.petre - de ccm37 la: 10/12/2009 18:34:36
Filmul se numeste- Lord of War(traficantul de arme) , film din 2005. Unde Nicolas Cage interpreteaza rolul uni traficant de arme.
Acolo intalnesti acea replica.
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WAR PIGS - de Little Eagle la: 04/05/2004 12:07:57
(la: 1984...)
" Generals gathered in their masses,
Just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot desctruction,
Sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
As the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
Poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh Lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away,
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor,yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
Making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
Wait till their judgement day comes,yeah.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
Ashes where the bodies burning.
No more war pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
On their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan,laughing,spreads his wings.
Oh Lord,yeah! "

Black Sabbath/Paranoid/1970

Lyrics&vocals- Ozzy Osbourne
Guitars- Tony Iommy
Bass-Geezer Butler
Drums/percussion-Bill Ward

Nimic nu s-a schimbat,trecutul a devenit iar prezent.
"War Pigs",un clasic si very powerful song a fost scris ca protest impotriva razboiului din Vietnam.Cuvintele lui Ozzy exprima totul si sint potrivite si zilelor de azi in care traim un razboi pornit din interese proprii de niste politicieni care in viata lor s-au ascuns mereu si au fugit de el!
Oh Lord,yeah!

" The most dangerous moment comes with victory!"
Napoleon Bonaparte.

Of course ca nu suntem xenofo - de Daniel Racovitan la: 29/09/2003 12:30:17
(la: Premiul Nobel 2002 pentru literatura luat de un ungur...)
Of course ca nu suntem xenofobi, ma intrebam doar cand o lua si un roman d'al nostru premiul Nobel pentru literatura?

Pare o carte interesanta, am reasfoit-o intr-o librarie, in traducere franceza.

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Istoria se bazeaza pe fapte si documente. - de Zamolxe la: 31/10/2003 20:34:47
Alien. Te alienezi de unul singur. Nu prea le ai cu intelegerea frazelor complexe, le scoti din context, le trunchiezi si te minunezi de ce emiti.
Eu am propus o discutie logica, bazata pe argumente, date istorice si pe fapte. Pot sa intep si eu, chiar mai abitir decit tine, dar nu acesta este scopul discutiei.
Singura cotizatie pe care o dau este pentru adevar si logica.

Toata justificarea pretentiilor teritoriale ale evreilor in Palestina au la baza ideea reintoarcerii “acasa”. Ori asa cum am spus si am demonstrat logic, singurii care se pot reintoarce sint cei care au plecat. Urmasii unui popor nu se reintorc la origini decit in sens literar.
Aceasta tara (casa), Palestina condusa de imperiul roman, a fost parasita de evrei. Fortati de imprejurari. Motivele plecarii sint neimportante pentru arabii care au venit in locul romanilor, dupa multe sute de ani!!! Nu arabii i-au gonit pe evrei din tara lor, ei pur si simplu s-au stabilit acolo unde era locul gol. Mai mult, evreii din diversele zone ale lumii, au fost aliati ai arabilor si au luptat alaturi de ei.

Citeva legaturi pe internet despre subiect, pe care il stiu mai bine decit multi din carti adevarate, tiparite. Jerusalem was besieged by the Romans in the spring of 70 C.E. and ruthlessly retaken during the summer, by which time the defenders had been reduced to civil war, starvation and (according to Josephus) even cannibalism. The religious fanatics made their last stand at the fortress they had taken first – Massada. When faced by inevitable defeat (73 C.E.) they met it with a defiant act of mass suicide. The terrible price the Jews paid for their revolt was the total destruction of their temple and the city in which it stood.

Rezistenta evreilor a durat 3 ani pentru ca dupa sinuciderea lui Nero, a fost nevoie de ceva timp ca imperiul roman sa se stabilizeze.

Iar dacii, chiar daca au pierdut razboiul cu imperiul, nu au plecat din tara lor, care de altfel nici nu a fost ocupata integral, vezi zona dacilor liberi. Dacii s-au amestecat in cele din urma cu romanii si au nascut poporul român.

Evreii s-au stabilit in alte parti. Finally, in the 9th century, the leaders and the majority of the Khazar nobility came to be Jews. One likely possibility for how this happened is a conversion of the nobility. This is the official version of the situation, as told by the Khazar ruler Joseph in his famous letter to Hasdai ibn Shaprut of Spain.

Asa cum am mai spus, pina in 1948 nu a fost un conflict deschis intre evrei si arabi. Ciocniri, atacuri, probleme locale, da. Ca peste tot intr-o lume a violentei, a dreptului fortei.

Si probabil ca nu ar fi fost nici un conflict major daca evreii ar fi respectat rezolutia nr. 181 a ONU din 29 noiembrie 1947. Iar ONU in 1947 nu era arabesc sau antisemit (vezi lista votantilor). Drept de veto aveau ca si acum foarte putini. Solutia a fost negociata si era suficient de fairplay, desi pleca de la ipoteza “reintoarcerii acasa” a evreilor.
Rezolutia a fost acceptata de evrei si respinsa de arabi. Cei care au acceptat-o au si incalcat-o si acestia au fost evreii. Rezolutia in sine era favorabila evreilor care primeau casa, o tara. La o bere politica.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent (see list at end of document).
The resolution was accepted by the Jews in Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in Palestine and the Arab state.
… … …
Adopted at the 128th plenary meeting:
In favour: 33
Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.
Against: 13
Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.
Abstained: 10
Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

Partea urita a fost luarea cu forta a intregului teritoriu al Palestina/Israel. Proclamarea unilaterala a statului Israel a fost momentul in care arabii si evreii au devenit cu adevarat dusmani si s-a intrat pe o spirala violenta de actiune-reactiune.

Astept de la oricare dintre voi comentarii pertinente si nu atacuri de joasa speta. Daca vrem sa intelegem istoria trebuie sa o studiem si sa ne raportam strict la fapte si date. Solutiile crizelor se regasesc in corecta intelegere a istoriei.

Istoria nu raspunde la intrebari sentimentale si nici nu trateaza intimplarile individuale.

Refuzul istoriei asa cum este ea pastrata in documente duce la ridicare de ziduri mentale. Ziduri ale rusinii.

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