in english

Un f. bun amic si suflet cum rar gasesti in lume,a scris aceste cuvinte si cantec,numele lui este Pete Townshend,versurile lui vor spune exact TOTUL:

THE DIRTY JOB

"I am a man who looks after the pigs,
Usually I get along okay.
I am a man who reveals what he digs,
Should be more careful what I say.

I'm getting put down
I'm getting pushed round,
I'm being beaten every day...
My life's fading
But things are changing,
I'm not gonna sit and weep again...

I am a man who drives a local bus
I take miners to work but the pits are closed today,
It's easy to see that you are one of us
Ain't it funny how we all seem to look the same????...

We're getting put down...etc

My Karma tells me
You've been screwed again
If you let them do it to you
You've got yourself to blame
It's you who feels the pain,
It's you who feels ashamed...

I am a young man
I ain't done very much,
You men should remember how you used to fight.
Just like a child,I've been seeing only dreams
I'm all mixed up but I know what's right,

I'm getting put down,etc

Love &peace,
Ozzy
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Pete Townshend-lyrics,songs+guitars
Roger Daltrey-Vocals
John Entwistle-Bass,english horn
Mooney,adica....Keith Moon-drums.....daca real vreti sa aveti o idee cum sunt....ca personalitate si ca om...sunt o combinatie intre,Ozzy,Jim Morrison,Robert Plant si ....DILIUL de Mooney.......HA!See you in another life boys&girls,LOVE YOU EVEN AFTER DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I worship all of you!!!MY brothers&sisters,nu stiti cat va iubesc....












.....................................................
Who are the WHO????:

Pete Townshend-Guitars + ALL compositions,ALL songs written by him+lyrics
John Enthwistle-bass
Roger Daltrey-Vocals
Keith Moon,Mooney..........a great guy.....-drums,God bless his soul.
.......................................................................................................................
LOVE &PEACE,
Ozzy

Ce zici de putina limba romana (includ si gramatica, se intelege)?
Esti certat rau cu ea?
Cu "american-english" cum stai?
Crezi ca cei de aici nu isi fac o parere din modul cum vorbim si ce vorbim?
Numai ca cei de aici sunt ceva mai diplomati si nu te fac sa intelegi ce gandesc.
Ma feresc sa te intreb ce "job" ai aici ... dar imi imaginez, dupa modul tau de exprimare.
Nicaieri asemenea vocabular nu e apreciat :aici, acolo ... as avea multe de spus ... sunt si eu de foarte mult timp pe aceste meleaguri ... dar ...

« Au fond, ce n’est pas la photo en soi qui
m’interesse. Ce qui je veux c’est de capter une
fraction de seconde du réel »

Henri Cartier-Bresson (1908 – 2004)
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Kingdoms of the world in a moment

Aug 5th 2004, From The Economist print edition
http://www.economist.com/cities/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3071607

Henri Cartier-Bresson, whose photographs defined the
20th century, died on August 3rd at the age of 95

ALTHOUGH his name was familiar almost everywhere, far
more so indeed than his work, Henri Cartier-Bresson
himself was not a familiar sight. With his alert blue
eyes and a coloured handkerchief knotted round his
neck, he would wander the streets near his home on
Paris's rue de Rivoli and seldom be recognised. One of
the greatest photographers of the 20th century was
himself rarely photographed.

In his lifetime, he travelled to all corners of the
earth, capturing images of some of the most
extraordinary moments of 20th-century history—the
Spanish civil war, the liberation of Paris after the
second world war and the funeral of Mahatma Gandhi. At
the same time he framed and preserved less famous
moments, elevating them with his genius so that they
somehow seemed to capture the essence of life itself.

His unequalled ability to seize a millisecond in time
was uncanny. In his book “The Decisive Moment”,
published in 1952, he wrote: “It is the simultaneous
recognition, in a fraction of a second, of the
significance of an event as well as a precise
organisation of forms, which give that event its
proper expression.” He was never very interested in
the technology of photography, in the effects that
could be obtained during developing and editing in a
dark room. It was all about the thrill of the chase,
the chance to seize a moment.

The man who first inspired Mr Cartier-Bresson was a
photographer called Martin Munkacsi, whose picture of
naked African boys running into Lake Tanganyika in
1931 persuaded him to take photography seriously. “I
couldn't believe that such a thing could be caught on
camera,” he said, “so I grabbed my Leica and went out
into the street.”

Between 1932 and 1935, he lived rough in Italy, Mexico
and Spain where he took some of his most memorable
images. Back in Paris he worked with Jean Renoir, a
film director, and ended up playing the unlikely role
of an English servant in the director's masterpiece,
“La Règle du Jeu”. He was a prisoner-of-war for three
years, and after the war was one of the founders of
the Magnum agency, a trail-blazing photographers'
co-operative. In 1948 he went on the road again,
mostly to India and China (in time for the fall of
Chiang Kai-shek), in an age when the images of
photojournalists like him filled the pages of picture
magazines that were, in the pre-television era,
hungrily viewed by millions.

Unassuming genius
For the last quarter of a century, Mr Cartier-Bresson
eschewed photography, taking only the occasional
snapshot of friends and family, and turning his
attention to drawing. (He trained originally as a
painter, his early work influenced by his friend, the
surrealist artist Max Ernst.) He maintained that he
scarcely wanted to discuss photography any more. “It's
like when you're divorced”, he said, “and people keep
asking about your former wife. There's something
indecent about it.”

He settled into a quiet life in France—in Paris and in
the small house that he owned for some 30 years in the
Lubéron, a region in the south of the country, to the
east of Avignon. And there he died on Tuesday August
3rd, just less than three weeks away from his 96th
birthday.

Mr Cartier-Bresson always said that to be a great
photographer you had to be unintrusive. “For me,
photography is very much a physical pleasure—it's like
hunting, except that we don't kill.” At the height of
his career he would stalk his subjects, and his quarry
would often be unaware that it had been captured on
film. His desire to remain out of the limelight stayed
with him to the end, including his wish to hold back
the world's photographers from the funeral of one of
the greatest of them.

His funeral was a private affair attended by some 50
family and close friends. Only after it had ended did
the French Ministry of Culture make an official
announcement of his death. And the next day, August
5th, many of his most famous images were splashed
across the front pages of newspapers the world over: a
woman slapping an informer she recognises at a
deportation camp in Dessau in 1945; Muslim women in
Srinagar, Kashmir, praying to the sun as it rises over
the distant Himalayas; and a French family picnicking
by the River Marne in 1938, almost a last pre-war
moment of stillness.

Of Mr Cartier-Bresson's death, President Jacques
Chirac said: “With him, France loses a genius
photographer, a true master, and one of the most
gifted artists of his generation.” But it is not only
France's loss. Mr Cartier-Bresson's fame, which grew
despite his efforts to avoid it, reminds a much wider
world of its persistent admiration for unassuming
genius, and of the dwindling stock of targets for that
admiration.

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La famille d'Henri Cartier-Bresson, la Fondation Henri
Cartier-Bresson, les photographes et l'équipe de
Magnum Photos ont la tristesse de vous annoncer le
décès d'Henri Cartier-Bresson le 3 Août à 9h30 dans sa
maison du Luberon.Les obsèques ont eu lieu dans la
plus grande intimité. Un hommage sera organisé à sa
mémoire début septembre.
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Mai multe informatii referitoare la persoanlitatea si opera lui Henri Cartier-Bresson puteti gasi pe site-ul MAGNUM Agency, fondata de HCB. Adresa este http://www.magnumphotos.com/c/ , asa cum s-a mai spus pe acest forum de discutii. Intr-adevar, acolo putem vedea cu totii niste fotografii. Adevarate...

din Bucuresti, un biet ucenic intr-ale fotografiei, Ovidiu SIMINA
11/08/2004

Dupa cum multi dintre voi stiti saptamina asta se desfasoara conventia partidului Republican. Aseara Arnold Schwarzenegger a vorbit, iar astazi toate programele de radio si televizor si toate ziarele sau concentrat asupra speech-ului lui Arnold. Cei care doresc sa afle ce a spus mai jos puteti citi speech-ul lui. Tot aici puteti afla cine sint Republicanii si care este platforma partidului Republican. Citire placuta.

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Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

Thank you.

What a greeting! This is like winning an Oscar! ...As if I would know!

Speaking of acting, one of my movies was called "True Lies." It's what the Democrats should have called their convention.

My fellow Americans, this is an amazing moment for me. To think that a once-scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become Governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the President of the United States that is an immigrant's dream. It is the American dream.

I was born in Europe ...and I've traveled all over the world. I can tell you that there is no place, no country, more compassionate more generous more accepting and more welcoming than the United States of America.

As long as I live, I will never forget that day 21 years ago when I raised my hand and took the oath of citizenship.

Do you know how proud I was? I was so proud that I walked around with an American flag around my shoulders all day long.

Tonight, I want to talk about why I'm even more proud to be an American -why I'm proud to be a Republican and why I believe this country is in good hands.

When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets .I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear we had when we had to cross into the Soviet sector. Growing up, we were told, "Don't look the soldiers in the eye. Look straight ahead." It was a common belief that Soviet soldiers could take a man out of his own car and ship him off to the Soviet Union as slave labor.

My family didn't have a car -- but one day we were in my uncle's car. It was near dark as we came to a Soviet checkpoint. I was a little boy, I wasn't an action hero back then, and I remember how scared I was that the soldiers would pull my father or my uncle out of the car, and I'd never see him again. My family and so many others lived in fear of the Soviet boot. Today, the world no longer fears the Soviet Union and it is because of the United States of America!

As a kid I saw the socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left. I love Austria and I love the Austrian people - but I always knew America was the place for me.

In school, when the teacher would talk about America, I would daydream about coming here. I would sit for hours watching American movies transfixed by my heroes like John Wayne. Everything about America seemed so big to me so open, so possible.

I finally arrived here in 1968.I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes, and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican!" And I've been a Republican ever since! And trust me, in my wife's family, that's no small achievement! I'm proud to belong to the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Ronald Reagan and the party of George W. Bush.

To my fellow immigrants listening tonight, I want you to know how welcome you are in this party. We Republicans admire your ambition. We encourage your dreams. We believe in your future. One thing I learned about America is that if you work hard and play by the rules, this country is truly open to you. You can achieve anything.

Everything I have my career my success my family I owe to America. In this country, it doesn't make any difference where you were born. It doesn't make any difference who your parents were. It doesn't make any difference if, like me, you couldn't even speak English until you were in your twenties.

America gave me opportunities, and my immigrant dreams came true. I want other people to get the same chances I did, the same opportunities. And I believe they can. That's why I believe in this country, that's why I believe in this party and that's why I believe in this President.

Now, many of you out there tonight are "Republican" like me in your hearts and in your beliefs. Maybe you're from Guatemala. Maybe you're from the Philippines. Maybe Europe or the Ivory Coast. Maybe you live in Ohio Pennsylvania or New Mexico. And maybe just maybe you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight I believe that's not only okay that's what's great about this country. Here

we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic still be American and still be good Republicans

My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans how do you know if you are a Republican? I'll tell you how.

If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government...then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group... then you are a Republican! If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does... then you are a Republican! If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children ... then you are a Republican! If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world ... then you are a Republican! And, ladies and gentlemen ...if you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism ... then you are a Republican!

There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people ...and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: Don't be economic girlie men!

The U.S. economy remains the envy of the world. We have the highest economic growth of any of the world's major industrialized nations. Don't you remember the pessimism of twenty years ago when the critics said Japan and Germany were overtaking the U.S.? Ridiculous!

Now they say India and China are overtaking us. Don't you believe it! We may hit a few BUMPS -- but America always moves ahead! That's what Americans do!

We move prosperity ahead. We move freedom ahead. We move people ahead. Under President Bush, and Vice President Cheney, America's economy is moving ahead in spite of a recession they inherited and in spite of the attack on our homeland.

Now, the other party says there are two Americas. Don't believe that either. I've visited our troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia, Germany, and all over the world. I've visited our troops in California, where they train before they go overseas. And I've visited our military hospitals. And I can tell you this: Our young men and women in uniform do not believe there are two Americas!

They believe we are one America and they are fighting for it! We are one America - and President Bush is defending it with all his heart and soul!

That's what I admire most about the President. He's a man of perseverance.

He's a man of inner strength. He is a leader who doesn't flinch, doesn't waiver, does not back down. My fellow Americans, make no mistake about it terrorism is more insidious than communism, because it yearns to destroy not just the individual but the entire international order.

The President didn't go into Iraq because the polls told him it was popular. As a matter of fact, the polls said just the opposite. But leadership isn't about polls. It's about making decisions you think are right and then standing behind those decisions. That's why America is safer with George W. Bush as President.

He knows you don't reason with terrorists. You defeat them. He knows you can't reason with people blinded by hate. They hate the power of the individual. They hate the progress of women. They hate the religious freedom of others. They hate the liberating breeze of democracy. But, ladies and gentlemen, their hate is no match for America's decency.

We're the America that sends out Peace Corps volunteers to teach village children.

We're the America that sends out missionaries and doctors to raise up the poor and the sick. We're the America that gives more than any other country, to fight AIDS in Africa and the developing world. And we're the America that fights not for imperialism but for human rights and democracy.

You know, When the Germans brought down the Berlin Wall America's determination helped wield the sledgehammers. When that lone, young Chinese man stood in front of those tanks in Tiananmen Square America's hopes stood with him. And when

Nelson Mandela smiled in election victory after all those years in prison America celebrated, too.

We are still the lamp lighting the world especially for those who struggle. No matter in what labor camp they slave no matter in what injustice they're trapped -- they hear our call ... they see our light ... and they feel the pull of our freedom. They come here as I did because they believe. They believe in US.

They come because their hearts say to them, as mine did, "If only I can get to America." Someone once wrote -"There are those who say that freedom is nothing but a dream." They are right. It's the American dream.

No matter the nationality, no matter the religion, no matter the ethnic background, America brings out the best in people. And as Governor of the great state of California -- I see the best in Americans every day ... our police, our firefighters our nurses, doctors and teachers our parents.

And what about the extraordinary men and women who have volunteered to fight for the United States of America! I have such great respect for them and their heroic families.

Let me tell you about the sacrifice and commitment I've seen firsthand. In one of the military hospitals I visited, I met a young guy who was in bad shape. He'd lost a leg had a hole in his stomach ... his shoulder had been shot through.

I could tell there was no way he could ever return to combat. But when I asked him, "When do you think you'll get out of the hospital?" He said, "Sir, in three weeks." And do you know what he said to me then? He said he was going to get a new leg ... and get some therapy ... and then he was going back to Iraq to serve alongside his buddies! He grinned at me and said, "Arnold ... I'll be back!"

Ladies and gentlemen, America is back! back from the attack on our homeland- back from the attack on our economy back from the attack on our way of life. We're back because of the perseverance, character and leadership of the 43rd President of the United States George W. Bush.

My fellow Americans ...I want you to know that I believe with all my heart that America remains "the great idea" that inspires the world. It's a privilege to be born here. It's an honor to become a citizen here. It's a gift to raise your family here to vote here and to live here.

Our president George W. Bush has worked hard to protect and preserve the American dream for all of us. That's why I say ... send - him - back to Washington for four more years!

Thank you, America -- and God bless you all!
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Pt. cei care stiu engleza (sau asa cred ei). Nu consider ca sunt experta dar ma descurc destul de bine. Chiar am primit complimente. In schimb cei mai prosti vorbitori de engleza sunt turcii (din cate stiu eu), din cauza ca nu pot pronunta consoanele una dupa alta. Va dati seama ce iese...
In ceea ce ma priveste filmele si cantecele in engleza au avut o foarte mare influenta, incercam sa imit felul in care spuneau cuvintele si in final am invatat mai multa engleza de la televizor decat din scoala, nici nu mai urmaream subtitrarea. Alt atu este faptul ca chiar imi place engleza.

Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak; Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant, Shoes, goes, does.
Now first say finger, And then singer, ginger, linger, Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge, Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean. Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale, Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough? Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!

Revenind la ideea originala a forumului, am gasit trei articole mai cuprinzatoare, pentru cine are cunostinte de engleza si rabdarea sa urmareasca detalii medicale:



http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994909

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0004119C-D4C6-1086-94C683414B7F0000

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200404/200404220032.html



Fiind printre altele si medic, mi se pare distractiv faptul ca echipa de cercetatori japonezi si coreeni au trebuit sa modifice zdravan ADN-ul soarecilor femela de la care s-au prelevat ovulele, pentru a implanta apoi 343 de oua, din care au ajuns la termen 8, din care au supravietuit doua.



Asta imi aduce aminte de bancul cu domnisoara care exclama indignata: "Vai, papusa asta costa mai mult decat un copil!" La care vanzatorul: "Da, dar si procesul de fabricatie e mult mai complicat."


Concluzia ar fi ca ideea originala ("este perfect posibil ca un mamifer sa se nasca fara fecundarea de catre elementul masculin") este foarte departe de adevar.


De asemenea ma "distreaza" polemica crestino-mozaica ce s-a starnit, privind virginitatea Maicii Domnului, de parca Dumnezeu ar fi avut nevoie de un laborator pentru a face minuni. Asta lasand la o parte faptul ca prin partenogeneza se pot naste NUMAI femele, niciodata masculi. Iar daca despre divinitatea sau umanitatea lui Iisus mai exista discutii, ca ar fi fost barbat nu cred ca s-a indoit cineva.


Privind acuzatia de deicid adusa evreilor, mi se pare absurda, desi sunt crestin (ortodox, cu influente catolice, pentru cine intereseaza). Nu poti omori un zeu nemuritor. Din cate stiu, teologia ortodoxa si cea catolica sunt de acord ca pe cruce a murit partea umana a lui Iisus, nu cea divina. Si chiar acceptand (printr-o generalizare ce nu mi se pare de bun augur) ca intreg poporul evreu s-ar face vinovat de crucificarea lui Iisus, suferintele individuale si colective suferite de evrei au spalat inzecit aceasta vina, cel putin din punct de vedere al judecatii oamenilor. Restul e treaba lui Dumnezeu.


Nu pot accepta insa nici ideea conform careia crestinii ar fi vinovati de ce au patimit evreii. Dumnezeu ne judeca individual, nu pausal. Cine generalizeaza trebuie sa ia bine aminte ca oricand poate fi inclus la randu-i intr-o gramada care sa nu-i convina (vezi ideile de genul "romanii sunt toti niste hoti", "romanii sunt o natie de tigani" etc.)



In rest, mult respect.


Vlad


L'amour a des raisons que la raison ne connaît pas. (Blaise Pascal)

Un lucru care m-a deranjat despre acest chestionar este ca d-ta ai presupus de la inceput ca anonimitatea subiectelor nu are nici o valoare. Adica nici macar nu ai incercat sa obtii aceasta informatie in mod anonim. Virsta, sex, localizare, ocupatie, firma, nivel de educatie,... cam toate intra in categoria de "informatii personale." Noi nu stim cine esti d-ta si in ce fel te vei folosi de aceasta informatie. Nu sint paranoid de felul meu, dar nici nu am obiceiul de a-mi divulga datele personale la oricine intreaba be internet.

Al doilea aspect urmeaza: opinia mea e ca astfel de informatie nu ajuta in a decide daca sintem o comunitate. De fapt mi se pare foarte clar ca sintem o comunitate. Citez din Oxford English Dictionary: "o comunitate e un grup de oameni organizati intr-o unitate politica, civica, sau sociala." Prin simplul fapt ca schimbam idei in mod regular, atit timp cit sintem parte din acest proces, sintem organizati intr-o unitate sociala. Nu cred ca in ziua de astazi se face mare diferenta intre faptul ca este o unitate sociala virtuala in loc de una localizata geografic necesitind prezenta fizica.

Al treilea aspect este ca adevarata intrebare pentru care d-ta ai dori un raspuns este "ce fel de comunitate formam noi aici?" Si asta nu e o intrebare usoara de raspuns. O fateta a comunitatii asteia este caracterizarea fizica/personala a participantilor; fateta asta poate fi dezvaluita prin raspunsuri la chestionarul pe care il sugerezi. Dar mai sint alte fatete: politica (ce procentaj de utilizatori e de stinga, dreapta, centru), economic (citi la % sint (relativ cu societatea in care traim) saraci, bogati, middle class, samd), etc. Pot sa continui, dar cred ca-i prins spilu' deja.

Te aplaud ca incerci sa cunosti mai mult despre cei cu care te "inhaitezi" pe cafenea, dar sint si alte modalitati in care se poate face, daca chestia cu chestionarul nu reuseste. De exemplul, prin a participa intr-o varietate discutii aici pe cafenea vei afla multe despre ceilalti utilizatori. Dezavantajul acestei modalitati este timpul investit in process (desi acest timp este investit oricum din moment ce--se pare ca--esti o utilizatoare activa), si faptul ca nu vei afla nimic despre cei care citesc dar nu participa in mod activ la discutii. Despre acest grup de inactivi numai chestionarul ar folosi, desi nu stiu cit de bine.

Daca chiar esti d-ta hotarita sa obtii aceste informatii, as sugera sa deschizi mai multe sondaje si sa inviti pe toti sa voteze. De exemplu:
Sondaj #1: Virsta (ani)
a) Intre 15-20
b) Intre 20-30
c) Intre 30-40
d) Peste 40
Sondaj #2: Profesia
a) IT
b) Miner
c) Mechanic
d) Frecator de "Mentha spicata"
...
Sondaj #3: Educatie
a) Gradinita
b) Scoala primara
c) Liceu
d) Studii universitare
e) Masterat
f) Doctorat

Astfel anonimitatea e garantata si resultatele sint publice.

Cu toate ca eu personal nu iti impartasesc curiozitatea pe acest subiect, iti doresc succes.
--ikoflexer

Daca tu numesti pleonasm...unde incadrezi mai precis acasta idee?

PLEONASM [16c: from Latin pleonasmus, Greek Pleonasmós ('more-ness') excess, redundancy].
A traditional term for the use of more words than necessary, either for effect, or more usually as a fault of style, and any instance of that use, as in: Could you repeat that again? rather than Could you say that again? or Could you repeat that?; They both got one each rather than


They both got one or They got one each; That's a more superior product (superior already denotes 'more'); It's a really new innovation (an innovation is already new).
Some common pleonasms attract little comment, such as free gift (gifts are by definition free) and plans for the future (plans cannot be about the present or past).
Many famous writers have been pleonastic, including Shakespeare's double superlative 'The most unkindest cut of all' (Julius Caesar).

Bibliography:

1992 The Oxford Companion to the English Language.

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