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intrus - de lafemme la: 10/06/2008 20:11:09
(la: Fabula cu Diminutive )
morala fabulei tale vadeveni moto-ul existentei mele umile :P

p.s. - nu stiu clar de ce, dar cand aud diminutive, ma apuca asa o cheste.... de parcaar zgaria cineva tabla in urechea mea... tzzz
irma - de Honey in the Sunshine la: 14/01/2009 19:10:51
(la: Plesu despre Jiji...)
lol
pai exact asta ziceam si eu.

morala fabulei n-are treaba cu fabula.
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Care ar fi morala, Nadia?? - de JCC la: 05/02/2004 10:33:11
(la: Cum va simtiti cand va intoarceti in Romania ?)
Care ar fi morala bancului tau, Nadia? ca nu romanii ar fi de vina, ca nu ei voteaza?
Ca-i vina lui Dumnezeu?
Ca in asteptare ca Dumnezeu sa dea ceva mai bun, ei n-au decat sa astepte "sa pice" din cer??

Ai mei, frantujii, au o zicala : " Ajuta-te singur, si pe urma si Dumnezeu o sa te ajute!"...
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e-cartu' - de Dragos Bora la: 11/03/2004 01:51:21
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Salutari!
Am citit textul de la "e-cart". Daca nu l-ar fi semnalat dl.
Crisbasan (despre "Delicte minore" deja auzisem), probabil nu
l-as fi aflat si parcurs.

> Dictatura lui Ceausescu a avut consecinte extrem de grave
> in plan moral, iar asa-numita democratie care i-a succedat
> a lasat neatinse multe dintre structurile corupte ale ve-
> chiului regim comunist.

Mai rau. Nu doar ca le-a lasat neatinse, dar a reusit sa-si
depaseasca "maestrul". A creat structuri noi iar pe cele
vechi le-a dus "pe noi culmi".

> Asta inseamna ca Romania ofera posibilitatea unui studiu
> interesant despre tarile care se lupta cu tranzitia ideolo-
> gica...

As vrea sa vina cineva din strainatate (se pare ca pentru a-
utohtoni subiectul nu-i prea interesant) si sa studieze te-
meinic subiectul "Arta intre '45 si '90". Ce, cum si cit s-a
facut s.a.m.d. Cred c-ar fi o interesnta arheologie. Ca, daca
e vorba de fotografie, din ce s-a scris pina acum, poti sa
crezi povestea aia cu vidul cultural...

> Calatoria cu taxiul prin oras este o alegorie a ceea ce va
> urma: soferul goneste în zig-zag pentru a ocoli gropile,
> carutele si cainii vagabonzi.

La mine carute nu sint decit la periferie si acolo destul de
rar. Gropi si caini insa, pe alese si la discretie.

> Orasul, un amestec de blocuri comuniste, biserici medievale
> si magazine prafuite de prin anii '70, nu e o metropola.
> Cum sa inserezi o bienala de arta contemporana intr-un ase-
> menea context?

Nu cauta adeseori artistii destinatii, locuri de creatie,
de expunere deosebite, "exotice"? Mai pusera si altii arta
nepotrivita in locuri si-n timpuri nepotrivite pentru ca-n
final sa iasa capodopere.

> Pentru ca sistemul de educatie artistica s-a schimbat foarte
> putin fata de cel din timpul dictaturii, acesti studenti
> ambitiosi stiu foarte putin despre ce se intampla pe scena
> artistica internationala si nu isi permit sa calatoreasca
> in strainatate.

Orice simplu cetatean din orasul meu are acces facil de prin
iulie 1997 la internet. De acolo se pot afla foarte multe.
Dorinta sa fie. I-am invidiat intotdeauna pe studenti, pentru
ca aveau acces internet gratuit.

> Lia a inceput sa faca performance in anii '80, dar abia dupa
> deschiderea tarii catre Occident in anii 1990 a aflat ca
> performance-arta avea deja o lunga istorie.

Chiar asa de izolata a fost Romania? Chiar nu se putea afla
(e drept, cu ceva efort si cu riscuri) ce se mai petrece in
civilizatie? Ceilalti artisti (actorii, fotografii s.a.) la
fel nu stiau?

> Lia se opune vehement instalarii noului Muzeu de Arta
> Contemporana in palatul lui Ceausescu, pentru ca in aceasta
> cladire se afla si Parlamentul si, in consecinta, este un
> loc prea incarcat si compromitator.

Pai de ce sa nu fie "exorcizat" prin arta? Si de ce este
"compromitator"? Cred c-ar trebui sa fie acolo, asa, macar
de-al dracului sa stea in coasta alesilor nostri. Cu siguran-
ta le-ar produce un disconfort (la cit e marea majoritate a
lor dispusa la intelegere si dialog; ma rog, la dialog ar fi
dispusi dar n-au aparatul necesar (vocabular s.a.)) asta m-ar
bucura.
Iisus n-a luat biciul in mina sa scoata din templu pe cei
care nu-si aveau locul acolo?

> Dar la o privire mai atenta, instalatia ar putea provoca
> hernie artistilor si curatorilor din Vest: fotografiile sunt
> indoite, filmele video sunt proiectate pe pereti acoperiti
> cu coji de banda adeziva si, deseori, nici nu se pot vedea,
> pentru ca Kalinderu Media Lab nu-si permite sa cumpere o
> draperie neagra.

Nu cumva asta s-a si intentionat? Poate cele de mai sus se-n-
scriu intr-un "demers artistic".

> E usor sa simpatizezi cu "Dizzydentii" Perjovschi de vreme
> ce, dupa standardele occidentale, situatia este "fucked up
> in the extreme":

Cind ma gindesc la citi oameni au creat in conditii "fuite"...
Se poate mai rau. Dar si mai bine.
Toate cele bune!Dragos Bora
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Wake up Horia D! - de Little Eagle la: 04/05/2004 10:14:10
(la: 1984...)
I wish I could have a joint right now!Cuvintele tale ma predispun la a lua droguri,poate niste pain killers will do it.Si credeam ca ma lasasem...asa ca e vina ta ca ma apuc iar de droguri si bautura!!!!
Churchill...a fost bun doar pe timp de razboi,in pace...s-a cacat pe el.
Si am pus in geam afara un mic poster primit de la partidul democratic de care apartin cu sloganul:"JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!"

Eu cred ca tu esti in la-la land si as fi curios sa stiu citi ani ai?Ai copii?Poate un baiat de 18 ani bun de trimis in Irak,pt. ca daca aprobi politica imbecilului asta de Bush,poate vrei sa-l vezi mort...pt patrie si ...OIL!!!

Nici eu nu am timp de dezbateri si mai ales cu conservatori!!!Ori republicani.Ori "puritani"sau religiosi zelosi de dreapta extremista ce cred ca Dumnezeu le vorbeste.

Si nu m-am prins de chestia spusa de tine cu banii???
Sa trag concluzia ca ai parerea ca stau si tai frunza la ciini???


For your own sake,I hope you'll wake up!!!
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"Has he lost his mind?
Can he see or is he blind?
Can he walk and talk?..."

Citeva versuri din "Iron Man"ce se potrivesc perfect cu Bush si cu suporterii lui
ca tine.Adios definitiv!!!!
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MORAL - IMORAL - AMORAL - de (anonim) la: 07/05/2004 10:29:10
(la: De ce sexul in public e dezaprobat?)
bonjour la toata lumea ,
cred ca am intervenit cam tirziu aici dar ginditzi-va putzin : ce este moral-imoral si ce inseamna amoral ... si mai exact cum apara aceste cuvinte si ce vor sa reprezinte ..... cine stie la ce ma refer intelege .... deci io zic sa va ginditi la mentalitatile voastre ca sa va intelegeti pe voi si viatza voastra ( sau schemele de viatza ) ... mersi si sanatate la toata lumea . Chris ( man )
You, wake up Ozzy - de (anonim) la: 28/05/2004 05:37:49
(la: Despre Alegerile din S.U.A.: De ce trebuie sa votam pt. GWB.)
E dureros ca ai incredere in gunoaiele de la biased media. Media si Hollywood sint liberali care incearca sa influenteze opinia publica cu gunoaiele lor. Sint niste oameni, majoritatea, fara nici cea mai mica valoare morala. Un bun exemplu e Presedintele Clinton care ne-a facut tara de ris prin comportamentul lui. Tineretul si copii au nevoie de role model si din pacate nu pot sa-l gaseasca in filmele si programele de la TV, sau in fostul presedinte. Se pare ca soacra ta pe care o consideri ne citita ar putea sa-ti fie un role model. Cit despre President Bush, il admir pentru felul cum a adresat orice problema care a mostenit-o de la administratia precedenta. Asa ca nu mai asculta la garbage si deschide-ti ochii. Agresiunea teroristilor a fost o declaratie de razboi. Ce vina au avut oamenii care au murit in NYC? Cei care suporta teroristii au declarat razboi in September 2001. Cit despre unii “aliati” ca Franta (care uita ca daca nu erau Americanii azi vorbeau germana) si Germania care sint niste prefacuti, sa nu uitam ca au agenda lor. Avem un presedinte care urmareste interesele poporului pe care il serveste. Cit despre democrati, nu stiu decit sa promita marea si sarea pina ajung in office. Ei nu servesc poporul ci interesele lor personale. Sounds familiar? Ma bucur ca avem un presedinte care stie ce vrea si face ce promite. Istoria arata ca democratii promit multe, fac putine, si fura bani (exemple de hoti: Carol Moseley Broun who wants to run for president, the Clintons who took the furniture from the White House). Imi cer scuze daca nu sint politically correct dar cred ca adevarul e adevar si nu are rost sa-l ocolesc. How far lower can we go? How far lower is low enough?
Avem nevoie de un presedinte ca Bush care stie ce vrea si trimite un mesaj si arata ca cea mai puternica democratie nu se lasa comandata de alte tari sau citiva democrati pentru care nu pot sa am respect pentruca sint primii sa faca scandal si ei ca personae sint niste oameni de nimic care nu au cele mai elementare valori. Cit despre educatia lui Bush, poate tu esti mai educat. Where did you graduate, If you don’t mind me asking? Just curios.
Lydia
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Morala Pt. AlexM - de LMC la: 17/06/2004 20:55:24
(la: Da sau nu pentru avort?)
Spune-ai:
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Cel care crede ca are ceva de spus impotriva unei decizii luata de o femeie, egal de pro au contra, l-as intreba "da cine te crezi si cu ce drept? Cu dreptul moralei tale? Cine-ti spune ca e si morala mea?".
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Tot la fel poate sa spuna un hot, sau un criminal, sau un terorist. Daca toti ne luam dupa morala personala si nu este un standard sau o morala suprema, oare ce s-ar intimpla in lumea asta? Nu pretind ca morala mea este suprema dar stiu un singur lucru, daca eu tai firul vietii al unui copil am comis un omor chiar daca acest copil inca nu s-a nascut, stim cu totii ca nu se naste un animal sau o insecta, ci o fiinta umana.

http://embryo.soad.umich.edu/carnStages/carnStages.html

Asa cum nu avem dreptul sa omorim un copil nascut care nu este complect format, adica un adult dezvoltat, tot asa un embrion care inca nu a ajuns la punctul de nastere. Cind am dat exemplul cu scosul ochiului am stiut exact ce am zis, stiu ca nu se mai regenereaza asa cum viata unui copil nu mai poate fi inviata. Exemplul tau nu tine pentru ca atunci inseamna ca toti copii nascuti dintr-o mama sint niste cloni.
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. - de ikoflexer la: 29/06/2004 19:43:36
(la: Ozzy vs LMC)
de cand se traduce "jew" prin "jidan"(termen insultator)?

N-am intentionat sa jignesc pe nimeni si nu stiam ca "jidan" e un termen insultator; daca e imi cer scuze. Cum s-ar traduce atunci? --- ca n-am un dictionar englez-roman la indemina.

Dupa cite stiu eu: hebrew = evreu
israeli = israelian
jew = ? (eu credeam jidan---corectati-ma)
jewish = de religie ?

Citez mai jos pentru cei ce au timp sa citeasca din Oxford English Dictionary:

oed jew | more
Jew (d3(j)u:), sb. Forms: Sing. 3 Gyu, 4 Giu, Gyw, Iu, Iuu, Iuw(e, Ieu, Ieuu,
Ieu3, 4-5 Iwe, 4 (6 Sc.) Iow, 4-7 Iewe, 5 Ieue, 5-6 Iue, (Ive), 4-7 Iew, 7-
Jew. Plur. 2 Giwis, 3 Giws, Gius, Gyu(e)s, 3-4 Gywes, Giwes, Geus, 4 Iuu(e)s,
Iuwis, Iow(e)s, Ioues, Iewis, -ys, -us, 4-5 Iuwes, 4-6 Iues, 4-7 Iewes, 5
Iuys, 6 Sc. Iowis, Iouis, 4-7 Iews, 7- Jews; beta. 4 Iuen. [ME. a. OFr. giu,
gyu, giue, earlier juieu, juiu, jueu:-L. iudaeum (nom. -us) Jew (cf. Fr. dieu,
ebreu:-L. deum. hebraeum); in later Fr. juif, fem. juive. L. iudaeus was a.
Gr. iota-omicron-upsilon-delta-alpha-iota--omicron-sigma-, f. Aramaic y'hudai,
corresp. to Heb. y'hudi Jew, f. y'hudah Judah, name of a Hebrew patriarch and
the tribe descended from him. (The OE. equivalent was Iudeas Jews, Early ME.
Iudeow, Iudew: see JUDEW.)]
1 a A person of Hebrew descent; one whose religion is Judaism; an Israelite.
Orig. a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah, as opposed to those of the ten tribes
of Israel; later, any Israelite who adhered to the worship of Jehovah as
conducted at Jerusalem. Applied comparatively rarely to the ancient nation
before the exile (cf. HEBREW sb. 1), but the commonest name for contemporary
or modern representatives of this group, now spread throughout the world. The
word `Jew' is also applied to groups, e.g. the Falashas in Ethiopia, not
ethnically related to persons of the main European groups, the Ashkenazim and
the Sephardim.
C. 1275 Passion our Lord 351 in O.E. Misc. 47 Pilates hym onswerede, am ich
Gyv penne? A. 1300 Cursor M. 3944 (Cott.) O sinnu etes neuer Iuu [v.rr. ieuu,
iew]. A. 1300 Cursor M. 11072 (Cott.) It halus bath Iu and sarzine. C. 1310 in
Wright Lyric P. (Percy Soc.) 100 Ich holde me vilore then a Gyw [rimes bowe,
trowe, now]. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4532 (Trin.) Therynne a iewes childe we fonde.
C. 1340 Cursor M. 18579 (Trin.) And namely leue herof no iwe For al pus dud
pei wip ihesu. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VI. 385 Charles Grossus was
i-poysoned of a Iewe [v.r. Iuw]. A. 1400 Pistill of Susan 2 That was a Ieu3
ientil, and Ioachin he hiht. C. 1440 Promp. Parv. 266/2 Ive, judeus. 1530
PALSGR. 235/1 Jue a man of jurye, jvif. 1572 Satir. Poems Reform. xxxi. 173
Mair nor in Jurie dois the Jow. 1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. III. i. 61 What is the
reason? I am a Iewe; Hath not a Iew eyes? 1615 G. SANDYS Trav. 52 His mother a
Iew both by birth and religion. 1775 SHERIDAN Rivals II. i, She shall have a
skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew. 1820 BYRON Blues I. 77 You forget
Lady Lilac's as rich as a Jew.1940 AUDEN Another Time 116 He [sc. Sigmund
Freud] Was taken away from his old interest To go back to the earth in London,
An important Jew who died in exile. 1956 I. MURDOCH Flight from Enchanter ix.
126 `Of course, you realize that I could rescue you with my little finger,'
said Mrs Wingfield. `I'm as rich as a Jew!' 1970 R. D. ABRAHAMS Positively
Black iii. 76 The Englishman is arrogant and overbearing, the American is a
check-writing millionaire who doesn't mind the cost, the Jew tries to push
down the entry price into heaven. 1970 Times 28 Jan. 10/4 At the heart of the
matter lies the rabbinical definition of a Jew: a person born of a Jewish
mother, or a person who has converted to Judaism according to rabbinical law.
1974 J. R. BAKER Race xiv. 234 From the traditional religious point of view, a
Jew was a person born of a Jewish mother, but this formula suffers from the
defect that the defined word is included in adjectival form in the definition.
The same flaw occurs in part of the new definition enacted by the Israeli
Parliament in..1970, according to which a person is a Jew if he or she is the
offspring of a Jewish mother or has been converted to the Jewish faith by the
Orthodox Rabbinate or by the Rabbis of the Jewish Reform Movement or by the
Rabbis of the Jewish Conservative Movement.
plural. C. 1175 Lamb. Hom. 9 Alswa hefden pe giwis heore sinagoge. C. 1250
Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc. 26 Hi..askede wer was se king of gyus pet was
i-bore. C. 1250 Old Kent. Serm. in O.E. Misc., 26 King of geus. A. 1300
Cursor M. 142 O pe Iuus [v.rr. iewes] and moyses. A. 1300 Cursor M. 19129
(Gott.) Thar badd pai iuen suld paim 3eme. A. 1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xxvii. 5
The iowes sloghe crist. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) VIII. 53 That he schulde
doo pe Iewes [v.r. Iuwes] out of Engelond. 1482 CAXTON Trevisa's Higden
(Rolls) IV. 369 The Iuwes accused Pilatus to Tiberius. 1533 GAU Richt Vay 30
Ve prech Iesu Christ crucifeit, sclander to the Iowis and folie to the
gentils. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Comm. Prayer (Coll. Good Friday), Haue mercy upon
all Iewes, Turkes, Infidels, and heretikes. 1611 BIBLE 2 Kings xvi. 6 At that
time Rezin king of Syria..draue the Iews from Elath. 1619 SANDERSON Twelve
Serm. (1632) 2 In Rome there lived in the Apostles times many Iewes. 1710 etc.
[see FALASHA]. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & F. xv, The same..abhorrence for idolatry
which had distinguished the Jews from the other nations of the ancient world.
1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Relentless persecution of Jews, century
after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings: `Dos
ken nor a goy.' (`That, only a goy is capable of doing'). 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 The Jews got to keep us bloods stayin weak. 1974 J. R. BAKER Race
xiv. 232 In various parts of the world today there are communities that
practise the Jewish faith in one form or another, but are ethnically distinct
from the Jews of Europe and North America.
gen. plur. A. 1225 Ancr. R. 394 Uorto acwiten ut his leofmon of Giwene
honden. A. 1225 Juliana 62 Ant poledest pinen ant passiun purh giwes read on
rode. A. 1300 Cursor M. 4532 (Cott.) Thar in a Iuen child [Trin. iewes childe]
we fand. C. 1300 Cursor M. 19289 (Edin.) The iuwin folc felune. C. 1300Cursor
M. 21696 (Edin.) Mang pe Iuwis lede. C. 1350 Childh. Jesus 616 (Matz.) Giwene
children feole..Him siweden. C. 1449 PECOCK Repr. III. iii. 291 If Cristen
preestis weren Iewen preestis. 1653 GREAVES Seraglio 150 In the Kings
Seraglio, the Sultana's are permitted to employ divers Jewes-women about their
ordinary occasions.
b Jew's eye: proverbial expression for something valued highly.
1592 G. HARVEY Pierce's Super. 85 A souerain Rule, as deare as a Iewes eye.
1596 SHAKS. Merch. V. II. v. 43 There will come a Christian by, Will be worth
a Iewes eye. 1833 MARRYAT P. Simple ii, Although the journey..would cost twice
the value of a gold seal, yet, that in the end it might be worth a Jew's eye.
1844 WILLIS Lady Jane I. 212 From dome to floor, Hung pictures..Each `worth a
Jew's eye'.
c Black Jew (see quot. 1967); also = FALASHA.
1807 C. BUCHANAN Jrnl. 4 Feb. in Christian Res. in Asia (1811) 192 The
resident Jews are divided into two classes, called the Jerusalem or White
Jews; and the Ancient or Black Jews. The White Jews reside at this place [sc.
Cochin]. The Black Jews have also a Synagogue here; but the great body of
that tribe inhabit towns in the interior of the province. A. 1817 T. DWIGHT
Trav. New-Eng. (1823) III. 174 The black Jews in Hindostan. 1822 Imperial Mag.
IV. 358 A copy of the Hebrew Pentateuch..found in one of the Black Jews'
Synagogues, at Cochin. 1843 J. C. MAITLAND Lett. from Madras xviii. 178, I
told him about the first preachers, the Black Jews, the Syrian Christians, &c.
1892 G. M. RAE Syrian Church in India x. 150 These black Jews are converts to
the faith from among the people of the land. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
155 The black Jews..surrounded by all those millions of Hindoos. 1930 H.
NORDEN Africa's Last Empire 185 The black Jews among whom he works. 1964 [see
FALASHA]. 1967 D. T. KAUFFMAN Dict. Relig. Terms 77/1 Black Jews, in India,
term applied to brown-skinned Jews to distinguish them from a group known as
`White Jews'. Sometimes used also for Negro Jewish groups. 1974 J. R. BAKER
Race xiv. 232 The Falasha or `black Jews' of Ethiopia are members of the
Aethiopid subrace, a hybrid taxon.
d A ship's tailor. Hence also jewing vbl. sb. and ppl. a. Naut. slang.
1916 Chambers's Jrnl. May 278/2 They [sc. ships' tailors] were still known as
`jews'. 1916 Chambers's Jrnl., May 278/2 The term `jewing', as sewing is
still called. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor x. 102 There was the
`Jewing-bloke', who undertook tailoring repairs. 1945 TACKLINE Holiday Sailor,
x. 102 The `Jewing-bloke' had a rather ancient Singer sewing machine, bought
when ashore at Alexandria with..pay in his pocket. 1946 J. IRVING Royal
Navalese 100 A sailor-tailor is known as a `Jew'. 1962 GRANVILLE Dict.
Sailors' Slang 66/1 Jewing firm, ship's tailoring `firm' run by one or more
ratings who repair and make clothing.
2 a transf. and offensive. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a
grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard
bargains.
In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly
familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them
by the Crown, whose proteges they were. In private, Christians also practised
money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew
came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate
practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious
sense.
1606 Sir G. Goosecappe V. i. in Bullen O. Pl. III. 77 If the sunne of thy
beauty doe not white me like a shippards holland, I am a Iewe to my Creator.
1700 BP. PATRICK Comm. Deut. xxviii. 37 Better we cannot express the most
cut-throat dealing, than thus, You use me like a Jew. 1830 COLERIDGE Table-t.
16 May, Jacob is a regular Jew, and practises all sorts of tricks and wiles.
1844 D. KING Ruling Eldership II. i, It is undesirable..that he pass in the
commercial circle for what is there termed a Jew.1846 Swell's Night Guide
123/1 Jew, an overreaching fellow. C. 1861 E. DICKINSON Poems (1955) I. 160
'Twould be `a Bargain' for a Jew! Say-may I have it-Sir? 1906 J. M. SYNGE
Lett. to Molly (1971) 31 What have I done that you should write to me as if I
was a dunning Jew? 1920 T. S. ELIOT Ara Vos Prec 14 The jew is underneath the
lot. Money in furs. 1931 T. R. G. LYELL Slang 428 Why waste your time asking
him for a subscription? He's a perfect Jew where money's concerned. 1944
Britannica Bk. of Year 693 In March 1943 there were tirades from Bangkok radio
against the `Jews of Siam' (probably Chinese), who were accused of
profiteering. 1952 G. BONE Came to Oxf. xi. 34 There is a curious fallacy,
rather wide-spread, that a borrower of money is an innocent and hapless
person, while a lender is a shark, a harpy, a `Jew'. 1964 H. BROTZ Black Jews
of Harlem iii. 54 Occasionally the Black Jews forget they are Jews when
complaining about the fact that `the Jews' own all or most of Harlem!
b A pedlar.
In this use not depreciatory.
1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 32 Here is two poets, and a poll-parrot,
the best image the Jew had over his head, over the mantle-piece. 1963 E.
MCBAIN Ten Plus One (1964) iv. 42 There was a guy who used to come around to
the door selling stuff, and my mother called him `The Jew'... For her, `Jew'
was synonymous with pedlar. 1970 J. H. GRAY Boy from Winnipeg 43 For us,
however, `Jew' was just another generic word that often included the peddlers
who were Greek or Italian. When we scrounged bottles it was to sell to `the
Jew', who was anybody that came along buying junk.
3 attrib. and Comb. a attrib. or as adj. That is a Jew, Jewish, as Jew boy,
butcher, girl, man, pedlar, physician, trooper (such expressions now mainly in
offensive use but not originally opprobrious); of or relating to Jews, as Jew
bill, hatred, toll. b objective, similative, etc., as Jew-drowning, -hater,
Jew-dear, adj.; Jew-like adj. and adv., -looking adj.
1765 BLACKSTONE Comm. I. x. (1793) 375 Very high debates about the time of
the famous Jew-bill; which enables all Jews to prefer bills of naturalization
in parliament, without receiving the sacrament.
1796 P. COLQUHOUN Treat. Police of Metropolis (ed. 3) vi. 125 Jew Boys..go
out every morning loaded with counterfeit Copper, which they exchange for bad
Silver, to be afterwards coloured anew, and again put into circulation. 1817
M. EDGEWORTH Harrington iii. 45 Mowbray easily engaged me to join him against
the Jew boy; and a zealous partizan against Jacob I became. 1873 TROLLOPE
Eustace Diamonds II. liii. 361 You used to be very wicked, and say he was once
a Jew-boy in the streets. 1929 D. H. LAWRENCE Let. 10 Oct. (1962) II. 1208, I
do hate John's Jewish nasal sort of style-so uglily moral... Spring doesn't
only come for the moral Jew-boys-for them perhaps least. 1948 J. BALDWIN in
Commentary Oct. 334/2 Jules Weissman, a Jewboy, had got the room for me. 1954
Jewboy [see IKEY sb. and a.]. 1959 N. MAILER Advts. for Myself (1961) 50
Jewboy, blond Jewboy Wexler perched by the cellar window, tackling Japs with
machine-gun bullets. 1968 Daily Mail 9 Feb. 3/3 Angry viewers rang the BBC
last night to complain about an `anti-Semitic' remark on the TV programme
Softly, Softly. In last night's episode..the detective tells the man: `You
always were a great one for putting things in your wife's name, Bob, just like
a Jewboy heading for bankruptcy.' 1972 Observer 7 May, Mrs Lane Fox dismisses
what she calls the country set, who call their children `the brats', talk
about `thrashing them into shape', support Enoch Powell and still refer to
`jew boys'. 1974 New Society 3 Jan. 11/2 A car's desirability also creates the
opposite reaction, in that envy is easily turned to resentment and aggression
towards, for instance, the `jewboy', the `poser', the `toffee nose' and the
`business classes' who sport expensive and powerful cars.
1849 W. S. MAYO Kaloolah (1887) p. viii, Oil, garlic, salt fish, and Jew
brandy.
1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 213 Thus you see the Iew-butcher had need be
no botcher, but halfe a Physitian in Anatomizing.
1755 J. SHEBBEARE Lydia (1769) I. 274 [He] must have had this jew-craft
among his reasons for endeavouring to naturalize the Jews.
1899 A. WHITE Modern Jew 122 There are many instances of the drollery of
*Jew-drowning in the annals of monkish historians.
1796 E. WYNNE Diary 11 Dec. (1937) II. ix. 139 Before having ever seen us she
declared that we were all excepting the youngest, like little crows and Jew
girls. 1930 E. POUND XXX Cantos x. 45 Wives, jew-girls, nuns. 1971 B. MALAMUD
Tenants 50 Jewgirls are the best whores.
1899 Westm. Gaz. 18 Sept. 2/2 The nature of the wounds roused amongst the
*Jew-haters the old story of the blood sacrifice.
1898 Nat. Rev. Aug. 807 Outside Russia, Jew hatred is a matter with which
Governments have no direct concern.
1808 COBBETT Pol. Reg. XIII. 172 Through the means of a jew-like commerce
with the revolted slaves.
1905 JOYCE Let. 29 Oct. (1966) II. 127 For a Jewman it's better than having
to bathe. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 336 I'll brain that bloody jewman for using the
holy name. 1938 W. B. YEATS John Kinsella's Lament in London Mercury Dec. 114
Though stiff to strike a bargain Like an old Jew man.
1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. 20 Apr. Let ii, I was cheapening a pair of
spectacles with a Jew-pedlar.
1731 Gent. Mag. I. 403 Dr. Bass, a noted Jew Physician in St. Mary Axe.
A. 1680 BUTLER Rem. (1759) II. 84 And crucify his Saviour worse Than those
*Jew-Troopers, that threw out, When they were raffling for his coat.
c Special Combs.: Jew-bail, insufficient bail, `straw-bail'; 'Jew-baiting sb.
= Ger. Judenhetze, systematic harrying or persecution of Jews; so Jew-bait v.
nonce-wd., Jew-baiter, Jew-baiting a.; Jew-bush, a euphorbiaceous plant of the
genus Pedilanthus; Jew-cart (see quot.); Jew-lizard, a large Australian
lizard, Amphibolurus barbatus; Jew plum = OTAHEITE APPLE; Jew Tongo, a
language spoken among Bush Negroes in Surinam, possessing a structure largely
derived from West African languages and a vocabulary largely derived from
English.
1785 GROSE Dict. Vulg. T., Jew Bail. 1797 MARY ROBINSON Walsingham IV. 283
He..did the deep ones with Jew-bail, till they were up to the trick.
1892 Sat. Rev. 18 June 700/2 [He] is always going about Jew-baiting and to
*Jew-bait with pen or sword.
1883 Pall Mall G. 19 Nov. 3/1 [They] are now in full possession of the case
of the German jew-baiters against the Jews. 1907 I. ZANGWILL Ghetto Comedies
85 She's honest... She won't fall back on the old Jew-baiter. 1945 W. S.
CHURCHILL Victory (1946) 145 Julius Streicher, most notorious of Jew-baiters,
was captured by the Americans. 1960 C. DAY LEWIS Buried Day vi. 116 The same
herd instinct that produces Teddy Boys, Jew-baiters and Ku-Klux-Klansmen. 1974
G. MITCHELL Javelin for Jonah xi. 133 Benjy was unlucky enough to fall foul at
school of a ring of young Jew-baiters.
1883 Evening Post (N.Y.) 21 Apr., The Jew-baiting in Germany; the bloody
persecutions in Russia. 1898 Nat. Review Aug. 807 In the Empire of the
Tsar..Jew-baiting is a matter of high State policy. 1922 JOYCE Ulysses 202
Shylock chimes with the jewbaiting that followed the hanging. 1939 Ann. Reg.
1938 203 The brutalities began on April 23, and it was clear that the scheme
of Jew-baiting had been worked out in readiness for the `Anschluss'. 1969 J.
MANDER Static Soc. iii. 99 The American, however ugly, is no Jew-baiting
Gauleiter.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 105 The Jew Bush, or Milk plant.
1840 MARRYAT Poor Jack xviii, Then we have what we call Jew Carts, always
ready to take [stolen] goods inland, where they will not be looked after.
1847 LEICHHARDT Jrnl. iii. 89 A small Chlamydophorus (*Jew lizard of the
Hunter [River]) was also seen. A. 1884 J. SERVICE Thir Notandums (1890) 205
From beneath a log the green Jew-lizard, or the iguana peeps.
1913 W. HARRIS Notes Fruit & Veg. in Jamaica 18 The Jew Plum..was
introduced to Jamaica in 1782 and again in 1792. 1920 W. POPENOE Man. Tropical
& Subtropical Fruits iv. 156 Jew-plum is another name for the ambarelle, used
in Jamaica. 1971 Caribbean Q. XVII. II. 14 Different name, same
referent..golden apple/Jew plum/pomme-citerre.
1933 L. BLOOMFIELD Lang. xxvi. 474 Two creolized forms of English are spoken
in Suriname (Dutch Guiana). One of these.., more divergent from ordinary
types of English, is known as Jew-Tongo. 1968 W. J. SAMARIN in J. A. Fishman
Readings Sociol. of Lang. 666 Amerindian pidgins... Saramakan (Jew Tongo,
Ningre-Tongo).
d Genitival Combs.: Jews' apple, a name for the Egg-plant or its fruit; Jews'
frankincense, a plant of the genus Styrax, or the resin obtained from it
(storax or benzoin); Jews' houses, name given to the remains of ancient
tin-smelting furnaces in Cornwall; Jew's letter, a text inscribed in Hebrew
upon a phylactery, regarded as the outward symbol or badge of a Jew; Jews'
lime, a synonym of Jews' slime (see below); Jews' mallow, a name for Corchorus
olitorius (N.O. Tiliaceae), one of the plants from which the fibre called jute
is obtained, used as a pot-herb in Egypt, Syria, and other countries; Jews'
money, a popular name for ancient Roman coins found in some parts of England;
Jews' myrtle, a name for Butcher's Broom, and for a variety of the common
Myrtle; Jews' pitch, Jews' slime, names for asphalt or bitumen (cf. Gen. xi.
3); Jews' thorn = Christ's thorn (see CHRIST 5); Jews' tin, name for lumps of
tin found in ancient smelting-furnaces (Jews' houses) in Cornwall.
1884 MILLER Plant-n., Solanum esculentum, Jew's-Apple, Mad-Apple... S.
Melongena,..Egg-plant, Jew's-Apple.
1760 J. LEE Introd. Bot. App. 315 Jew's Frankincense, Styrax.
1851 Illustr. Catal. Gt. Exhib. 162 In the reign of King John, the mines
[were] principally in the hands of the Jews..remains of furnaces, called
*Jews' houses, have been discovered, and small blocks of tin, known as Jews'
tin, have..been found in the mining localities.
1589 R. HARVEY Pl. Perc. (1860) 32 Iewes letter scrible scrable ouer the
Copurtenaunce of a mans countenaunce. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes To Rdr. A
vj, A fouler blot then a Iewes letter..in the foreheads of Caelius and Curio.
1731-3 MILLER Gard. Dict. s.v. Corchorus, Jews Mallow, ..sown in great
Plenty about Aleppo as a Pot-herb, the Jews boiling the Leaves of this Plant
to eat with their Meat. 1887 MOLONEY Forestry W. Afr. 289 `Jews' Mallow' or
`Jute' (Corchorus olitorius, L.)-Annual. This is one of the species that
affords the well-known fibre of commerce called `Jute'.
1577 HARRISON England II. xxiv. (1877) I. 360 Some peeces or other are dailie
taken vp, which they call Borow pence, Dwarfs monie..*Iewes monie, and by
other foolish names not woorthie to be remembred.
1856 N. & Q. Ser. II. I. 432/2 In some parts of Kent it [Ruscus aculeatus] is
called `*Jews' Myrtle'; and it is the popular belief, that the crown of
thorns..was composed of its branches.
1756 P. BROWNE Jamaica 40 Asphaltum, Jew's pitch. 1816 TINGRY Varnisher's
Guide (ed. 2) 1 Asphaltum..issues in a liquid form from the bottom of the lake
Asphaltis in Judaea; and hence the name of Jew's pitch.
1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts 188 Iewes lime drunk in water..prescribed for a
remedy of this euill. 1639 HORN & ROB. Gate Lang. Unl. x. Sect.104 Salt-peter,
brimstone, Jew's slime, patrol, bole-armoniak,..are called mineral juyces.
1597 GERARDE Herbal Index, Iewes thorne, that is Christs thorne. III. xxvi.
1153 This shrubbie thorne Paliurus was the thorne wherewith they crowned our
Sauiour Christ.
1851 Jews' tin [see Jews' house].

Jew, jew, v. colloq. [f. JEW sb. (sense 2).] trans. To cheat or overreach, in
the way attributed to Jewish traders or usurers. Also, to drive a hard
bargain, and intr., to haggle. Phr. to jew down, to beat down in price; also
transf. Hence 'Jewing vbl. sb.
These uses are now considered to be offensive.
1824 C. HARDING Diary 29 Apr. in Sketch (1929) 75 He is a country clergyman;
and, from his Jewing disposition, I should judge he had more taste in tithes
than pictures. 1825 Constitutional Adv. (Frankfort, Kentucky) 15 Dec. 3/1 We
hope, for the honour and character of the state, that neither the legislature
nor the people, will Jew the items of expence. 1833 L. DOW Dealings of God
(1849) 189 If they [sc. the Jews] will Jew people, they cannot flourish among
Yankees, who are said to `outjew' them in trading. A. 1845 BARHAM Ingol. Leg.,
Bro. Birchington lxv, Is it that way you'd Jew one? 1847 W. IRVING Let. 30
Apr. in Life & Lett. (1864) IV. 19 Some mode of screwing and jewing the world
out of more interest than one's money is entitled to. 1848 W. BAGLEY Let. 14
Mar. in N. E. Eliason Tarheel Talk (1956) 279, I Jewed old Galloway down to
1.50 for ploughs. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour I. 368/1 Some of the ladies in
the squares..sets to work Jewing away as hard as they can, pricing up their
own things, and downcrying yourn. 1854 D. G. ROSSETTI in Rossetti Ruskin,
Rossetti, etc. (1899) 15 But as to his doings And jawings and jewings, William
brought me the news. 1870 Congress. Globe 7 July 5340/1 This bill supposes
that Congress..is ready to commence jewing down the pay of its General. 1872
Chicago Tribune 14 Oct. 8/2 The prices [for lodging] asked vary-the lodger
being generally asked as much as it is thought he will give. If he jews, he
will get it for comparatively little. 1883 G. M HOPKINS Let. 6 Dec. (1938) 195
You will I know say..that Jew is a reproach because the Jews have corrupted
their race and nature, so that it is their vices and their free acts we
stigmatise when we call cheating `jewing'-and that you mean that Disraeli in
1871 overreached and jewed his constituents. 1891 Daily News 2 Nov. 7/3 He'd
take care he didn't `Jew' him again.1897 [see HIGHLAND a. 2 b]. 1908 Dialect
Notes III. 324 Jew, to beat down the price. `I tried to jew him, but he
wouldn't jew.' 1926 Market Growers Jrnl. 1 July 3, I make my retail prices
about half way between grocery store wholesale and retail prices, and do not
stand for any `jewing' down. 1937 Scribner's Mag. Apr. 25 Thought we might get
the divorce a little under fifty dollars. Maybe we might jew the young man
down. 1939 A. POWELL What's become of Waring v. 140 Then we can meet again and
jew each other down. 1946 W. G. HAMMOND Remembrance of Amherst 121 Both here and at the mountain top we were unmercifully jewed for all the refreshments.
1947 L. Z. HOBSON Gentleman's Agreement i. 9 Now she was describing the large
new house she and Dick wanted to buy. `Did you close the sale on the old
place?' Mrs. Green asked. `Not yet. That cheap Pat Curran keeps trying to
Jew us down.' 1968 L. ROSTEN Joys of Yiddish 142 Just as some Gentiles use
`Jew' as a contemptuous synonym for too-shrewd, sly bargaining (`He tried to
Jew the price down,' is about as unappetizing an idiom as I know), so some
Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebk. 69 This embankment,
jewed-No, yankeed-by the highways down to a grassy lip. 1971 R. THOMAS Backup
Men xxi. 184, I say how much and he says this much and I say it's not enough
so we jew around with each other until we make a price. 1972 Harper's Mag. May
83 Jew the fruitman down for his last Christmas tree. 1972 New Society 11 May
301/1, I got jewed down..over the cheap offer.

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Salut Belle draga.. - de Jimmy_Cecilia la: 13/07/2004 20:24:40
(la: Organizam ceva pe Coasta de Azur ???)
pofta a fost buna, insa nu-s mondanitati, suntem doar reuniti in familie la unul sau la altul...
seara mancam impreuna, simplu, cum se spune la botul calului.. :))
gratar si salata, fructe, inghetata si facem in 2 minute frisca..asa ca pt regim :))
punem pe gratar orice,
cate o data cârnaciori si rosii provensale ca legume (rosii taiate in 2 cu patrânjel si usturoi deasupra, prajite pe gratar)
alta data cate un peste, sau mai multi pestisori, bucati de carne (porc, bou, vitel, curca sau miel), un fel de chiftele-mititei (kefta egiptiana),
frigarui (carne de bou, cu ardei, rosii si ceapa)
câte o data creveti sau gambas,
nu ne complicam cu mâncarea...
la asta mai adaugam cate o data scoici sau alte jigodii marine, ca deh, suntem pe coasta...
facem haios mare, dantuim, ne mai scaldam si in piscina cand suntem la Coralie, la Nice sau Genova la mare ca-i aproape, iar cand suntem la tara la mine, mergem jos la var (fluviul) la 100 metrii..

in fiecare zi, alta persoana este "maritza de serviciu" adica pregateste gratarul, restul toti la gramada, fiecare lucreaza, ca daca nu ajuta, cel putin moral, nu manânca.. :))

norocul ca avem curte si gradina peste tot si fara vecini apropriati, asa ca putem chiui fara sa deranjam pe nimeni...
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morala crestina? - de Little Eagle la: 02/08/2004 02:30:00
(la: Preoti homosexuali?)
Hey Daniel,

Daca imi dai dreptul doar la o fata a lucrurilor sa comentez,nu cred ca as avea ce spune.Ce-i aia teologie si morala crestina?
Inseamna ca pot incheia chiar acum orice comentariu.

Am citit mai toate raspunsurile scrise deja la tema.Imi dau seama ca am de-a face cu destui habotnici si incuiati pe acest site.Religiosi zelosi carora nici nu le raspund din jena ce am pt. ei.
Multi stiti opiniile mele si pozitia mea.To refresh your wicked minds:
Sunt pro-choice,sunt pt. libertatea de exprimare in artele toate,sunt pt, drepturile omului in lume,pt. drepturile animalelor domestice sau salbatice in lume,pt. drepturile lesbienelor si homosexualilor in lume de a-si trai viata precum simt si vor ei,pt. drepturile indienilor din America,pt. populatia de culoare neagra sau hispanica sau asiatica.

Si asta nu o fac din....caritate ci din convingere si incerc cum pot sa ajut,fie cu bani,cuvinte,la radio,in demonstratii in a scrie scrisori de protest la presedinte si administratia lui de lasi si mincinosi.
Mi se pare chiar ciudat sa stiu ca romanii ce traiesc in USA pot fi....republicani-conservatori!Imi este rusine de ei!

Homosexualitatea e mereu un subiect tabu de neinteles.Dar e usor de criticat
cu ura de crestini prozeliti ce se cred in drept de a critica si ...pedepsi.
Nimeni nu spune ca toti homosexualii sau lesbiene,sunt perfecti,dar a-i pune pe toti in aceiasi oala nu e necesar si e dincolo de adevar!Ca si cum cei crestini heterosexuali sunt cu totii perfecti...fiecare cos cu mere are si cateva stricate in el.

Vreau sa intreb de curiozitate daca cineva din voi are curajul(ma indoiesc,pt. ca toti aveti de ascuns ceva)sa spuna cinstit,corect daca au cunoscut homosexuali ,ori au prieteni gay(inclusiv lesbiene)ori cand dau de unul o iau la fuga ca de raie?Shame on you!!

Am avut si am prieteni gay si lesbiene,imi sunt f. dragi si ii iubesc deoptriva ca pe oricine din familia mea.
Nu,nu am avut sex cu ei daca sunteti curiosi,dar asa cum am mai scris candva demult,as fi fost interesat sa am sex cu un barbat,de ce nu? Ce mare pacat e in asta?E doar in mintea celor habotnici bisericosi...nevoie mare.

Adica un mascul cum destui din voi va credeti,are fantezii sa aiba sex cu 2 femei si asta il excita,dar de e vorba sa vada 2 barbati avand sex,i se pare o scarba.....

Desigur ca subiectul legat de preotimea homosexuala este iar tabu dar a fost de sute de ani,personal eu ii pun pe acesti preoti in categ. de pedofili,deoarece sunt atrasi de copii sub 16 ani,rar sunt cazuri cand exista o atractie la aceiasi varsta.Si atunci este deja o relatie de dragoste!Nu de perversiune sexuala.

As recomanda sa vedeti un film f. bun cu Robert Carlyle,"PRIEST"si mai vorbim dupa aceea.
Hey,in plus Dumnezeu nu da cu parul!
God love us all!cine crede ca Dumnezeu are in el vreun dualism...NU are habar de nici o credinta si religie.

Am mai scris si iar repet(la pereti):
In momentul in care spui ca Dumnezeu are o anume preferinta....l-ai limitat deja si coborat la nivelul tau de idiot.
Dumnezeu este dincolo de dualismele existentei universale,e unic One Without a Second!Si sa stiti bine ca ne iubeste pe toti deopotriva!
Chiar si pe orice criminal si pacatos si pe oricine din creatia lui indiferent de gender,hetero sau homosexuali etc.etc.De ce?
Pt. ca Dumnezeu exista prin propria Lui Creatie si trebuie si El sa treaca prin orice experiente ale vietilor umane ori ale intregii naturi de la firul de nisip la om.
Dar ce spun eu si cui vorbesc?Din nou la pereti,cel putin ei ma asculta....

Inca ceva:
NIMENI NU devine homosexual,NIMENI NU alege a fi homosexual!Este o experienta de viata ce vine din trecutul altor vieti prin care ai trecut.Iti va fi scris sa fii asa si fi ceea ce esti fara teama de nimeni,mai ales de biserica si zelosii bisericosi cu capetele in nisip.
Daca as fi homosexual as fi mindru de mine si nu m-as ascunde de nimeni.Nu sunt dar lupt mereu pt. drepturile lor.In februarie am avut in casa noastra invitati niste canadieni prieteni,homosexuali,au stat 1 sapt.si ne-am simtit f. bine.Remember,sunt acelasi suflet cu noi!

Sa nu amestecam deci morala crestina si teologia aici Daniel,nu-si are rostul.
Vreau sa te intreb:
Ce ai face daca cineva ti-ar salva viata de la o moarte iminenta si dupa o vreme vei descoperi ca este homosexual???

Alta intrebare:
Ce ai face intr-o situatie in care un om e pe cale de a muri si doar tu il poti salva si afli ca este homosexual?Vei fi las sau vei salva a acel om?
religia ,credintele etc,nu-si au locul in acest subiect.Oare ce este mai important in viata?
Sa -ti ajuti aproapele(indiferent de orientari sexuale sau religioase)ori sa intorci spatele si sa vezi doar ceea ce "este considerat lege spirituala" dupa care sa te ghidezi in viata?

Rememeber:"Mitakuye Oyasin"(We are ALL related)/Great Chief and Medicine Man Lame Deer/Lakota-Sioux.

Imi cer scuze ca am folosit in locuri cuvinte scrise cu majuscule.Nu am gandit deloc in a le da un accent de....tipat ci doart de a sublinia o idee ce am considerat apropiata contextului meu.

LOVE&PEACE,

Ozzy










































































































sa fie de vina doar morala ? - de (anonim) la: 29/09/2004 14:05:00
(la: suntem corect informati ?)
Ce fel de morala poate exista dupa 50 de "sters creierele". Din pacate generatiile care mai pastrau ceva aproape au disparut. Ca dovada este tocmai faptul ca multi romani deplang PCR si asta nu doar din cauza saraciei de azi, multi erau atunci, la fel ca si azi, saraci "cu duhul" sau mai exact la fel de ignoranti in ale moralei. Punctul 8 de la Timisoara incerca sa impuna un oarecare 'sistem de valori" si daca s-ar fi acceptat, probabil astazi discutam despre " contributia Romaniei la constructia noii Europe!"
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Morala si magistratura... - de ampop la: 04/10/2004 10:57:43
(la: Judecatoare actrita de filme porno)
Nu voi fi eu cel ce arunca piatra in cazul magistratei "actrita" porno, porno star sau ce o mai fi. Problema ce se pune nu este filmul porno in care a jucat ci potentialul de santaj ce il aduce acest fapt in societatea romaneasca. Daca ar fi fost cetatean olandez sau danez nimanui probabil nu i-ar fi pasat prea tare de hobby-urile magistratei. Dar in Romania, cu fatada de morala crestina (chit ca majoritatea habar n-au de Biblie sau crestinism, urmand doar "traditia" romaneasca), gasirea unei astfel de casete poate produce valuri mediatice. Parca ar fi singurul magistrat cu comportament aparte. Mai deunazi unul isi exhiba dosul iar altul se masturba vartos in fata autostopistelor...Selectia lor este problematica. Pana "sistemul" urmeaza cai numai de el stiute in selectie si promovare este firesc sa mai apara astfel de scapari. Ce mai putem spune de partea nevazuta a aisbergului, respectiv deviantii autentici care nu apar in filme sau fotografii dar fac "totul" pentru sistem. Spuneam mai demult in "Gregorian Bivolaru MISA, guru si servicii secrete" de potentialul de santaj adus de confiscarea "casetelor" si "arhivei" MISA. Uite ca acum a iesit la suprafata mobilul si poate ca judecatoarea in cauza nu a fost prea "cuminte". You've been a naughty girl, come to daddy Securila...nu-i asa? Shalom brothers!
Mario
probitate morala - de (anonim) la: 06/10/2004 10:37:16
(la: Judecatoare actrita de filme porno)
Crezi ca la cate ,,gafe" s-au produs in justitie, gafe care ne-au costat atat de scump la Haga au o mai mare probitate morala ceilalti judecatori?
Cred ca e mult mai grava coruptia din justitie, cea aspru criticata in raportul de tara despre Romania, decat viata particulara a unei persoane, fie ea si judecatoare, dar cu drepturi egale cu noi.
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Dar e moral sa modificam imaginile? - de Dragos Bora la: 14/10/2004 16:47:51
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Pai ce legatura are morala cu arta? ;-)
Daca-mi place sa le modific si-mi plac modificate, le modific.
Oamenii mai si viseaza. ;-)
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Moral - de AR la: 19/10/2004 15:28:00
(la: Obligativitatea religiei in scoli - o masura nelegala?)
Stimata Hypatia (va stimez pentru tonul civilizat cu care va aparati convingerile),

Va cer scuze pentru ca nu v-am raspuns la intrebare; mi s-a parut ca problema categoriei filosofice de valoare morala este cam departe de "cestiunea" in discutie, aceea a oportunitatii/legalitatii studiului religiei crestine ortodoxe in scoli.

Ca sa va raspund, totusi, trebuie sa precizez ca nu consider ca exista neaparat o legatura intre morala "propriu-zisa" si morala crestina. Inainte de a-si obtine licenta in filosifie, tanarul Titu Maiorescu a tinut sa desfiinteze aceasta falsa identitate.

Singurul principiu moral pe care il admit este hipocraticul "primmum non nocere". Restul sunt norme inventate pentru a justifica diverse abuzuri...

Iar in privinta religiei ii dau dreptate lui Woody Allen: "Un om fara religie e ca un peste fara bicicleta"...


Cu stima,
AR
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Moral - de AR la: 19/10/2004 15:28:01
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Stimata Hypatia (va stimez pentru tonul civilizat cu care va aparati convingerile),

Va cer scuze pentru ca nu v-am raspuns la intrebare; mi s-a parut ca problema categoriei filosofice de valoare morala este cam departe de "cestiunea" in discutie, aceea a oportunitatii/legalitatii studiului religiei crestine ortodoxe in scoli.

Ca sa va raspund, totusi, trebuie sa precizez ca nu consider ca exista neaparat o legatura intre morala "propriu-zisa" si morala crestina. Inainte de a-si obtine licenta in filosifie, tanarul Titu Maiorescu a tinut sa desfiinteze aceasta falsa identitate.

Singurul principiu moral pe care il admit este hipocraticul "primmum non nocere". Restul sunt norme inventate pentru a justifica diverse abuzuri...

Iar in privinta religiei ii dau dreptate lui Woody Allen: "Un om fara religie e ca un peste fara bicicleta"...


Cu stima,
AR
#25553 (raspuns la: #25459) comenteaza . modifica . semnaleaza adminului
Pentru Hypatia (Moral vs. Legal) - de AR la: 27/10/2004 09:19:56
(la: Obligativitatea religiei in scoli - o masura nelegala?)
Lasand la o parte faptul ca ne-am indepartat (cam mult si cam fara rost, de vreme ce s-a ajuns la identitatea moral=legal) de subiectul conferintei, cu riscul de a ma repeta, va raspund, punctual, la intrebari:
1. Da, legea trebuie respectata (studiul religiei este obligatoriu), dar nu exista nici un motiv pentru care actuala Programa sa nu devina, din ceea ce este, ceea ce cred destui oameni ca ar trebui sa fie (a propos de democratie, nimeni nu a initiat o dezbatere publica serioasa privind numita Programa; asa ar fi fost normal, de vreme ce disciplina Religie a fost reintrodusa in scoli dupa multi ani, in care, ne place sau nu, timpul n-a stat pe loc...).
2. Da, obligativitatea studierii Religiei crestin-ortodoxe in scoli, dupa actuala Programa, este imorala (incalca Art. 18 al Declaratiei Universale a Drepturilor Omului) si ilegala (incalca dreptul la libertatea de constiinta garantat de Constitutia Romaniei, Art. 20 si 29). Studierea obligatorie a Religiei (ca istorie/filosofie a religiilor, literatura universala, antropologie etc.), adica dupa o Programa modificata, este la fel de legitima/morala ca si studierea obligatorie a Limbii Romane, Logicii, Filosofiei etc., numita disciplina fiind, repet, utila educatiei, in genere.
3. De vreme ce e Anonim (cu fire necunoscuta), orice denumire i se atribuie (Vishnu, YHWH, Iehova, El, Theos, Dominus-Deus, Dumnezeu, Bog, Allah etc.), e pur metaforica, referindu-se numai la atributele de interes...

Desi nesolicitat, va supun atentiei problema "formarii initiale" a persoanelor care predau Religia (dupa actuala Programa sau dupa o eventuala Programa modificata). In acest sens, va recomand si al doilea articol al lui Mihai Neamtu (din "Dilema veche" nr. 41).
Nu ma refeream in primul mesaj la facultatile cu traditie de Teologie Pastorala de la Bucuresti, Iasi, Sibiu, unde banuiesc ca sunt profesori si studenti mai de Doamne-ajuta, ci doar la struto-camila Teologie-Litere din Pitesti, incropita "pe genunchi", in anii "democratiei originale", la indicatiile I.P.S.-ului local, loc de "formare initiala" a multor profesori de Romana agramati si profesori de Religie bigoti. Dintre care, pre multi am avut nefericirea a-i intalni personal.


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AR
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up-date - de anisia la: 03/11/2004 13:45:28
(la: Alegerile in USA)
eu am gasit acest site cu rezultate. se pare ca cnn este serios in up-date the results.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/
Wall Street up 165 point in t - de Horia D la: 03/11/2004 16:39:58
(la: Alegerile in USA)
Wall Street up 165 point in the 1st minute of trading!!

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who got there first.



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