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Committee to Protect Journalists - de Dinu Lazar la: 06/05/2004 23:51:38
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
NEWS
Committee to Protect Journalists

EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE: MONDAY, MAY 3, AT 00:01 GMT (For Monday's Newspapers)

CPJ Names World's Worst Places to Be a Journalist

New York, April 30, 2004-The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is marking World Press Freedom Day, Monday, May 3, by naming the World's Worst Places to Be a Journalist.
The list of 10 places represents the full range of current threats to press freedom.

At the top of the list is Iraq, where 25 journalists have died since the U.S.-led war began in March 2003. A brutal crackdown launched last year in Cuba by Fidel Castro's government has left an unprecedented 29 journalists behind bars, serving lengthy prison terms of up to 27 years. Last year saw the biggest blow to Zimbabwe's beleaguered press when authorities closed the country's only remaining independent daily. CPJ also placed Turkmenistan, Bangladesh, China, Eritrea, Haiti, the West Bank and Gaza, and Russia on the list of Worst Places to Be a Journalist.


"In all of these places, reporting the news is an act of courage and conviction," said CPJ Executive Director Ann Cooper. "Journalism is essential in helping all of us understand the events that shape our lives, and our need and desire for information cannot be eliminated by violence and repression."


WORLD'S WORST PLACES TO BE A JOURNALIST:

IRAQ

More than a year after the war in Iraq began, the country remains the most dangerous place in the world to work as a journalist. Twenty-five journalists have been killed in action in Iraq since March 2003. Twelve have been killed in 2004 alone-all of them Iraqis.

Postwar Iraq is fraught with risks for reporters: Banditry, gunfire, and bombings are common. Insurgents have added a new threat by systematically targeting foreigners, including journalists, and Iraqis who work for them.
At least six Iraqi media workers have been murdered, and several more have received threats. Armed groups have abducted some eight journalists in 2004, though all have been released.

U.S. forces pose an additional threat to working journalists: at least seven-and possibly as many as nine-journalists have been killed by gunfire from U.S. forces. Other journalists-mostly Arab or Iraqi-have been detained and suffered mistreatment at the hands of U.S. forces.

CUBA

The arrest and long-term imprisonment of 29 journalists in 2003 has decimated Cuba's fledgling independent press. A year after the government of President Fidel Castro Ruz launched a massive crackdown against the press and the political opposition, the imprisoned journalists and their families are harassed and exposed to humiliating prison conditions and psychological torture. They have denounced inadequate medical attention, have been placed in solitary confinement, and have complained about receiving foul-smelling and rotten food. The journalists, who are held in maximum-security facilities, went on hunger strikes several times to demand better conditions. Those journalists who were not imprisoned continue to face routine police intimidation and harassment and are careful about what they write. They say they have been visited by state security officials and issued warnings to stop writing or face the consequences.

ZIMBABWE

For the last four years, Zimbabwe's government has pursued a relentless crackdown on the private press through harassment, censorship, and restrictive legislation. Last year saw the biggest blow to press freedom yet, with authorities closing the Daily News, Zimbabwe's only independent daily and the country's most popular paper. The country's Media and Information Commission (MIC), whose board is government-appointed, refused to register the newspaper despite two court orders to do so. And in February 2004, the Zimbabwean Supreme Court upheld legislation requiring journalists and media outlets to be licensed by the MIC, making it a criminal act to practice journalism without government approval. Those who fail to register face fines and up to two years' imprisonment.

Zimbabwean officials have proven particularly sensitive to coverage of political unrest and the country's severe economic problems. Journalists who reported on pro-democracy rallies were arrested by police and attacked by ruling party supporters. Last year, authorities deported the last foreign reporter based in Zimbabwe, the U.K. Guardian's Andrew Meldrum, whom officials called an "undesirable inhabitant."

TURKMENISTAN

Because political dissent is not tolerated by Turkmenistan's totalitarian regime, independent journalism is practically non-existent.
President-for-life and self-proclaimed "father of all Turkmen,"
Saparmurat
Niyazov, maintains strict control over all newspapers, radio, and television stations by personally appointing editors, and his office approves news reports before they are published or broadcast.

One of the only independent media outlets that penetrates this system of control is the reporting broadcast from abroad by the Turkmen service of the U.S. government-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL). And again this year, RFE/RL was subjected to intense official harassment. In September 2003, National Security Service (MNB) agents detained an RFE/RL stringer based in the capital, Ashgabat, for two days, threatened him with 20 years in prison for betraying his country, and injected him multiple times with an unknown substance. More recently, in February 2004, MNB agents arrested two RFE/RL freelancers after one smuggled 800 copies of his banned novel into Turkmenistan. Both were released from prison in March after CPJ and other press freedom groups protested. However, the journalists still face charges of slander and instigating social, ethnic, and religious hatred and have been pressured to sever all ties with RFE/RL.


BANGLADESH

Crime, corruption, and lawlessness make Bangladesh the most violent country for journalists in Asia. Reporters routinely face threats, harassment, and often brutally violent physical attacks in retaliation for their reporting.
Despite promises from government officials to apprehend those responsible for assaults, the majority of attacks on journalists go unpunished. Deep political divisions in the country and within the journalism community also contribute to the climate of fear.

CPJ has documented dozens of violent attacks against Bangladeshi journalists during the last decade, including the murders of seven journalists in the last eight years. Journalists working outside the capital, Dhaka, are particularly vulnerable. Veteran journalist Manik Saha was killed in January
2004 in the southwestern city of Khulna when unidentified assailants threw a homemade bomb at him. In December 2003, a group of thugs affiliated with the ruling Bangladesh Nationalist Party tried to kill Shafiul Haque Mithu in the southwestern town of Pirojpur after he wrote a series of articles exposing local officials' abuse of power.

CHINA

During the last year, the newly installed government of President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao has escalated an assault on the burgeoning independent-minded media in China. Authorities have arrested high-profile editors, closed publications, and imposed news blackouts on politically sensitive events.

The crackdown reached an apex in early 2004, when officials arrested three popular and respected editors from the pioneering Southern Metropolis News for alleged corruption. The charges came after the paper published a series of reports on the resurgence of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, local police violence, and other sensitive topics. Chinese journalists have called the arrests the "darkest moment" in 20 years of media reform in China.

Forty-one journalists are now imprisoned in China, making it the world's leading jailer of journalists for the fifth year in a row. Independent writers and commentators on the Internet are particularly targeted for prosecution. The arrest of prominent and outspoken commentator Du Daobin in late 2003 sent a clear message to all Internet writers that free expression online will not be tolerated.

ERITREA

Eritrea has been Africa's foremost jailer of journalists since September 2001, when the government banned the entire private press and detained independent reporters. Seventeen journalists are now in secret jails across the tiny Red Sea nation, almost all of them held incommunicado. President Isaias Afewerki and top government officials have accused independent journalists of espionage, spreading disinformation, and "endangering national unity." Authorities continue to insist that the private press also operated without proper licenses, and that independent journalists routinely evaded the compulsory National Service Program. Despite these allegations, no formal charges have been brought against any of the journalists, and the government has given no indication that it intends to prosecute them.

The ruling party has a firm grip on the state media, whose employees are censored and also practice self-censorship. Afewerki has been unfazed by persistent international denunciation of his human rights record and continues to dismiss foreign critics as enemies of Eritrea.


HAITI

Press freedom conditions have seriously deteriorated in Haiti since September 2003, when the murder of a notorious gang leader sparked nationwide violence. From January to March 2004, journalists became targets during the uprising that led to the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide on February 29. While hostility against Haitian journalists is common, foreign correspondents were also attacked while covering the two-month rebellion. In March, a Spanish television correspondent was killed and a U.S. photographer was wounded by gunfire. Several radio stations were torched around the country. Investigations into the 2000 and 2001 murders of two prominent Haitian journalists have shown no progress. The Haitian judicial system's failure to prosecute these crimes has perpetuated a climate of impunity, forcing dozens of journalists to go into exile or seek political asylum.

THE WEST BANK AND GAZA

The West Bank and Gaza Strip remains one of the most unpredictable and potentially dangerous assignments for journalists. At least three journalists have been killed there since April 2003-each by Israeli army gunfire. Israeli troops often harass or attack Palestinian journalists, and Israeli authorities enforce tough restrictions on their freedom of movement.
Palestinian journalists are vulnerable to the increasing lawlessness in the Occupied Territories.

Palestinian militias and armed groups have frequently threatened and assaulted reporters and in some cases have ransacked news offices. In 2003 and 2004, Palestinian gunmen raided two television news offices and a newspaper in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, attacked a correspondent on the street in Gaza, and assaulted a reporter in Ramallah.

RUSSIA

President Vladimir Putin's "managed democracy," which includes using various branches of the state bureaucracy to rein in the independent media, is making the practice of independent journalism in Russia more and more tenuous. A shift from blatant pressures to more subtle and covert tactics, such as politicized lawsuits and hostile corporate takeovers by businessmen with close ties to Putin, has allowed the Kremlin to stifle criticism of the president and reports on government corruption and human rights abuses committed by Russian forces in Chechnya.

In advance of the December 2003 parliamentary elections and March 2004 presidential elections, the Kremlin tightened its legal and bureaucratic controls over the domestic press. Russian press groups criticized the Central Election Commission for failing to sanction the state-run national television channels for improperly promoting Putin and pro-Kremlin parties during the campaigns.

Journalists in Russia's provinces continue to be murdered with impunity.
In
October 2003, the editor-in-chief of an independent newspaper in the Volga River city of Togliatti was stabbed to death because of his paper's coverage of organized crime and government corruption. He was the paper's second editor-in-chief to be murdered in 18 months.

The Committee to Protect Journalists is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to defending press freedom worldwide.




"The only death you die is the one you die daily by not living. Dream big and dare to fail." - Norman Vaughn

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Tot despre politisti - de F16_Ghost_Rider la: 24/07/2004 13:02:50
(la: Un nou forum: "Bancuri, glume, poante...")
Sper ca nimeni sa nu se supere ca e in engleza.

Never say these things to a cop

- Hey, you must'a been doin' about 125 mph to keep up with me! Good job!
- Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't plugged in.
- I thought you had to be in relatively good physical condition to be a Police Officer.
- Excuse me, but is "stick up" hyphenated?
- Hi Officer, do you mind holding my beer while I find my driver's license?
- You know, I was going to be cop, but I decided to finish high school instead.
- "Bad Cop! No Donut!"
- I was trying to keep up with traffic. Yes, I know there are no other cars around, that's how far I am behind the other cars.
- You're NOT gonna check the trunk, are you?
- Didn't I see you get your butt kicked last week on "COPS"?
- I bet I could grab that gun before you finish writing my ticket.
- So, uh, you "on the take" or what?
- Gee, officer! That's terrific. The police officer yesterday only gave me a warning too!
- Do you know why you pulled me over? Good, at least one of us does.
- So, are you still crabby because your mamma didn't let you play with your gun when you were little?
- Hey is that a 9 mm? That's nothing compared to this .44 magnum.
- When you smack the crap outta me, make sure you smile pretty for the video camcorder.
- Is it true that people become policemen because they are too dumb to work at McDonalds?
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Henri Cartier-Bresson (1908 – 2004), fotograf - OMAGIU - de ovidiusimina la: 11/08/2004 10:54:33
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
« Au fond, ce n’est pas la photo en soi qui
m’interesse. Ce qui je veux c’est de capter une
fraction de seconde du réel »

Henri Cartier-Bresson (1908 – 2004)
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Kingdoms of the world in a moment

Aug 5th 2004, From The Economist print edition
http://www.economist.com/cities/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3071607

Henri Cartier-Bresson, whose photographs defined the
20th century, died on August 3rd at the age of 95

ALTHOUGH his name was familiar almost everywhere, far
more so indeed than his work, Henri Cartier-Bresson
himself was not a familiar sight. With his alert blue
eyes and a coloured handkerchief knotted round his
neck, he would wander the streets near his home on
Paris's rue de Rivoli and seldom be recognised. One of
the greatest photographers of the 20th century was
himself rarely photographed.

In his lifetime, he travelled to all corners of the
earth, capturing images of some of the most
extraordinary moments of 20th-century history—the
Spanish civil war, the liberation of Paris after the
second world war and the funeral of Mahatma Gandhi. At
the same time he framed and preserved less famous
moments, elevating them with his genius so that they
somehow seemed to capture the essence of life itself.

His unequalled ability to seize a millisecond in time
was uncanny. In his book “The Decisive Moment”,
published in 1952, he wrote: “It is the simultaneous
recognition, in a fraction of a second, of the
significance of an event as well as a precise
organisation of forms, which give that event its
proper expression.” He was never very interested in
the technology of photography, in the effects that
could be obtained during developing and editing in a
dark room. It was all about the thrill of the chase,
the chance to seize a moment.

The man who first inspired Mr Cartier-Bresson was a
photographer called Martin Munkacsi, whose picture of
naked African boys running into Lake Tanganyika in
1931 persuaded him to take photography seriously. “I
couldn't believe that such a thing could be caught on
camera,” he said, “so I grabbed my Leica and went out
into the street.”

Between 1932 and 1935, he lived rough in Italy, Mexico
and Spain where he took some of his most memorable
images. Back in Paris he worked with Jean Renoir, a
film director, and ended up playing the unlikely role
of an English servant in the director's masterpiece,
“La Règle du Jeu”. He was a prisoner-of-war for three
years, and after the war was one of the founders of
the Magnum agency, a trail-blazing photographers'
co-operative. In 1948 he went on the road again,
mostly to India and China (in time for the fall of
Chiang Kai-shek), in an age when the images of
photojournalists like him filled the pages of picture
magazines that were, in the pre-television era,
hungrily viewed by millions.

Unassuming genius
For the last quarter of a century, Mr Cartier-Bresson
eschewed photography, taking only the occasional
snapshot of friends and family, and turning his
attention to drawing. (He trained originally as a
painter, his early work influenced by his friend, the
surrealist artist Max Ernst.) He maintained that he
scarcely wanted to discuss photography any more. “It's
like when you're divorced”, he said, “and people keep
asking about your former wife. There's something
indecent about it.”

He settled into a quiet life in France—in Paris and in
the small house that he owned for some 30 years in the
Lubéron, a region in the south of the country, to the
east of Avignon. And there he died on Tuesday August
3rd, just less than three weeks away from his 96th
birthday.

Mr Cartier-Bresson always said that to be a great
photographer you had to be unintrusive. “For me,
photography is very much a physical pleasure—it's like
hunting, except that we don't kill.” At the height of
his career he would stalk his subjects, and his quarry
would often be unaware that it had been captured on
film. His desire to remain out of the limelight stayed
with him to the end, including his wish to hold back
the world's photographers from the funeral of one of
the greatest of them.

His funeral was a private affair attended by some 50
family and close friends. Only after it had ended did
the French Ministry of Culture make an official
announcement of his death. And the next day, August
5th, many of his most famous images were splashed
across the front pages of newspapers the world over: a
woman slapping an informer she recognises at a
deportation camp in Dessau in 1945; Muslim women in
Srinagar, Kashmir, praying to the sun as it rises over
the distant Himalayas; and a French family picnicking
by the River Marne in 1938, almost a last pre-war
moment of stillness.

Of Mr Cartier-Bresson's death, President Jacques
Chirac said: “With him, France loses a genius
photographer, a true master, and one of the most
gifted artists of his generation.” But it is not only
France's loss. Mr Cartier-Bresson's fame, which grew
despite his efforts to avoid it, reminds a much wider
world of its persistent admiration for unassuming
genius, and of the dwindling stock of targets for that
admiration.

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La famille d'Henri Cartier-Bresson, la Fondation Henri
Cartier-Bresson, les photographes et l'équipe de
Magnum Photos ont la tristesse de vous annoncer le
décès d'Henri Cartier-Bresson le 3 Août à 9h30 dans sa
maison du Luberon.Les obsèques ont eu lieu dans la
plus grande intimité. Un hommage sera organisé à sa
mémoire début septembre.
================================================

Mai multe informatii referitoare la persoanlitatea si opera lui Henri Cartier-Bresson puteti gasi pe site-ul MAGNUM Agency, fondata de HCB. Adresa este http://www.magnumphotos.com/c/ , asa cum s-a mai spus pe acest forum de discutii. Intr-adevar, acolo putem vedea cu totii niste fotografii. Adevarate...

din Bucuresti, un biet ucenic intr-ale fotografiei, Ovidiu SIMINA
11/08/2004
physical wreck.... - de Little Eagle la: 17/08/2004 20:17:59
(la: Casuta Postala A Lui Ozzy/Ovi)
....Azi am fost la doctor....

Cam nasol cu mine...stau normal cu inima,dar...am gingivita acuta si o sa'mi pierd ceva dinti....deja de 3 zile s-au crapat 2...si trebuie sa merg la dentist,dar nu pana peste 2 sapt.

Dr. m-a pus pe ..pain killers din nou(narcotice....)pt. gingii deoarece sangerez zilnic din gura.Am facut si teste la sange,in 3-4 zile aflu rezultatul,pt. toate,colesterol,ficat,deja stiu ca am prea multe celule albe in comparatie cu cele rosii....o sora f. misto si frumusica foc(flirtam amandoi)cu mii de pistrui pe ea dar f. atragatoare....ohhh boy,oare ma vindec si de astea vreodata...

Deci ea mi-a luat sange...am fost cam chinuit....nu mi-a gasit vena buna in bratul drept si deci m-a intepat cu acul de 2 ori...apoi nu a gasit in stangul...si m-a intepat in el de 3 ori pana a luat sange...am gauri de parca as fi pe heroin.....the deadly pen....

Scriam unei fete din cafenea ca as fi meritat un blow job pe chestia asta de la sora...in fine.Deci tre sa iau de 2 ori pe zi pain killers si niste vitamine speciale...pt. ca am si picioarele umflate...

Sunt cam...aiurea acum dupa 30 min. de cand am luat prima pilula...sunt ca drogurile pt. ca-s narcotice.Doar cu prescriptie le iei.
dar Dr. stie...si fetele sore de acolo,cine sunt si ce viata am avut ....am gingivita acuta din cauza ...prafului alb(snow)ori sweet stuff....cine a tras pe nas cocaine ...stie ce vorbesc,in plus,te freci si pe ...gingii si asa-ti paradesti dintii si gingiile...si acum 2 luni iar mi-am bagat nasul in ..powder!!!Nu puteam sta cuminte domne...oare ma refac vreodata 100%?

Mi-am distrus corpul cu droguri,alcohol si tigari de zeci de ani...nu-i de mirare...si cei tinerei din cafe sa invete ceva de la mine in sens pozitiv,stiu,life is short,si traiesti clipa dar daca apuci totusi sa traiesti peste 40 ani...ajungi o epava ca mine.WARNING!!!!

Acum mai am si rani pe limba din cauza dintilor crapati pt. ca limba se atinge de ei...oare ce dracu' nu am????

Nu stiu precis daca apuc sa termin vreodata memoriile mele scrise in roman...pana atunci m-am dus dragii mei...dar imi e frica?NOOOO!

LOVE&PEACE,
Ozzy/Ovi

























Distrugerea artei e o decizie pripita - de Dinu Lazar la: 03/10/2004 11:03:08
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
"D-le Ikoflexer, dl. Lazar facea misto"

Absolut adevarat. Daca am vazut si eu ca cineva chiar gindeste despre un timp care a avut si bune si rele in deja plictisitoarele jaloane - daca nu sunt dejectii - ale intelighentiei de afara, gen "miscarea comunista a fost si inca este una dintre miscarile care a innadusit forma libera de exprimare a artistilor" , "orice exprimare care nu era pe placut guvernului era scoasa afara, schimbata, si transformata in propaganda", "artisti, chiar si cei cenzurati de comunisti", "artisti care sub comunisti nu au putut sa lucreze liber", si tot asa, ca as putea sa citez pina miine - m-am gindit sa contribui pozitiv in negativul asertiunii.

Nu spun ca nu a fost de multe ori cumplit sau ca a fost foarte greu, ca nu s-a murit si suferit, dar nu a fost numai atit; exprimarile de mai sus seamana ca doua picatura de apa cu ale imbecililor care spuneau pe vremea RSR idiotenii despre cumplita arta burgheza, care leaga cu sirma ghimpata sperantele muncitorilor, si cum or fi fost fost debitarile superficialilor care la 1800 deplingeau decaderea de la 1700 si tot asa, pina la pitecantropul care spunea la caldura focului ce rau era in pestera fara foc si cum maimutzele dracului nu lasau lumea sa faca focu`.
Asta e viata...

Sa trecem la fotografia capitalista ca cu comunistii ne-am lamurit.

Physical Sites brings together two independent projects by Nigel Green and Naglaa Walker, whose work explores the psychological and physical spaces of scientific environments, challenging preconceptions and presenting different images of this often inaccessible world. In 2002 Nigel Green was granted unprecedented access to the interior of Dungeness 'B', one of the two nuclear power stations operating from the site in Dungeness. The resulting work accommodates a fundamental ambiguity. While he is sensitive to the unique environment at Dungeness - its fragility and vulnerability - and aware of the damaging absurdity that led to building the stations on such an unstable site, Green is also drawn to the stations' peculiar form of grandeur, both banal and elegant, and to the supremely sophisticated levels of human endeavour they undoubtedly represent.

http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2004/10/01/32414.html
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Pentru Hypatia (Mea culpa) - de AR la: 25/10/2004 13:53:33
(la: Obligativitatea religiei in scoli - o masura nelegala?)
MEA CULPA !

Imi insusesc urmatoarele definitii (din Dictionarul Explicativ) ale termenilor in discutie:

IMORAL (adj.) = care este in contradictie cu principiile moralei
MORAL (adj.) = care corespunde moralei; in conformitate cu morala
MORALA (s.f.) = forma a constiintei sociale care reflecta si fixeaza idei, conceptii, convingeri privind comportarea individului în societate.

Ca sa nu-mi reprosati unicitatea sursei de informare (periculoasa, dupa Sf. Ieronim: "TIMEO HOMINEM VNVS LIBRI"), va sugerez si cateva definitii cosmopolite:

Din LAROUSSE:
IMMORAL (adj.) = Qui viole les règles de la morale
MORAL (adj.) = Qui concerne les moeurs, les règles de conduite en usage dans une société.
MORALE (n.f.) = Ensemble des principes de jugement et de conduite qui s'imposent à la conscience individuelle ou collective comme fondés sur les impératifs du bien; cet ensemble érigé en doctrine.

Din AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY:
IMMORAL (adj.) = Contrary to established moral principles
MORAL (adj.) = 1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character. 2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior. 3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous. 4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong. 5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects. 6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence.
MORAL (n.) = 1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event. 2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
MORALE (n.) = The state of the spirits of a person or group as exhibited by confidence, cheerfulness, discipline, and willingness to perform assigned tasks.
MORALS (n. pl.) = Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong.


Din cele de mai sus se vede ca MORALA este o constructie a mintii umane, un ansamblu reguli de comportament specifice unei anumite comunitati umane. Unele comunitati (mai exact, conducatorii politico-religiosi ai acestora), din dorinta de a legitima un anumit set de reguli, i-au inventat origini supranaturale (exemplu: Decalogul inscris in Tablele Legii).

Exista, prin urmare, o morala crestin-ortodoxa (aplicabila exclusiv celor care apartin de facto comunitatii crestin-ortodoxe, definita ca multimea persoanelor credincioase care respecta normele Bisericii), dar si alte morale, specifice altor comunitati (nu neaparat religioase). De exemplu, sinuciderea este considerata imorala de catre morala crestina (dar si de catre cea islamica, de exemplu), dar normele morale hinduse si shintoiste o accepta...
De aceea, cred ca trebuie declarat intotdeauna CADRUL MORAL in care se face o apreciere morala (la Fizica, asta se cheama precizarea sistemului de referinta). Nu este, adica, riguros stiintific sa se faca aprecieri morale fara aceasta precizare.

Statele moderne (laice, in cea mai mare parte), in dorinta stabilirii unui set universal de principii independent de conditionarile nationale si religioase, au adoptat in 1948 Declaratia Universala a Drepturilor Omului, ca ansamblu de norme de comportament individual si colectiv.
La ACEST set de principii m-am referit cand am afirmat (in comentariul cu pricina) ca obligativitatea studierii religiei in scoli, ca disciplina obligatorie, in trunchiul comun, este imorala: se incalca Articolul 18 al numitei Declaratii.

In sfarsit, va cer scuze pentru lipsa de rigurozitate.
Va multumesc pentru ca mi-ati atras atentia.
Cu stima,
AR

P.S. Personal, nu cred ca, in anul 2004, cineva mai poate crede SINCER ca textul biblic este de sorginte divina si ca are si alta valoare in afara celei literare (remarcabila, de altfel, desi extrem de inegala)...
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Pt. mya - de Paianjenul la: 25/12/2004 14:30:44
(la: Reincarnarea sufletului si suflete surori)
"Religia hindusa nu spune asa niste prostii... Daca o sa citesti despre hinduism o sa te convingi singur ce spune si ce nu spune..."

- Am citit despre hinduism si m-am convins singur ce spune si ce nu spune. Te invit sa citesti si tu materialul pe care l-am gasit, si sa decizi singura daca cele afirmate in acest material sint prostii sau nu... (sublinierile din text sint facute de mine):

"According to the Upanishads rebirth or reincarnation of the souls can take place in a series of physical bodies (normally in human bodies but also in animals and even plants) or in a series of astral and preternatural bodies (sun, moon, planets, stars, angels or demons), depending on one's karma. The Kaushitaki Upanishad expresses it more clearly: "He is reborn here either as a worm (eu i-am zis limbric - nota mea), or as a butterfly, or as a fish, or as a bird, or as a lion, or as a serpent, or as a tiger, or as a person, or as some other being (eu i-am zis microb SIDA - nota mea) in this or in that condition, according to his works, according to his knowledge" (1.2)

http://www.spiritual-wholeness.org/faqs/reincgen/hindrein.htm
vezi subtitlul 4 - Transmigration of Soul in the Upanishads

sau:

"At the moment of death, those in whom tamas predominate will be reborn as grass, trees, insects of every type, fishes, snakes, reptiles, birds, lions, boars, evil men, etc., depending on the amount of tamas each one has gathered during his present life and the non-expiated ones of his previous life (12. 42-45)

http://www.spiritual-wholeness.org/faqs/reincgen/hindrein.htm
vezi subtitlul 5.3 - Reincarnation in Dharmashastra (The Laws of Manu)


"Religiile adevarate sunt cele care cuprind principii si invataminte prin care corpul, mintea si sufletul se unesc cu Dumnezeu in cele din urma."

- Nu exista religii adevarate ci doar religie adevarata. Asta pentru simplul motiv ca

a. exista doar un singur ADEVAR - nu mai multe! (chiar daca acest ADEVAR poate sa aiba mai multe fatzete...)...

si ca

b. orice religie care - deliberat sau de buna credinta - promoveaza invataturi care nu corespund cu ADEVARUL, este o religie FALSA (indiferent cit este de mare procentul de adevar pe care il contin aceste invataturi!)...

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1 aprilie marca tsunami? - de Dinu Lazar la: 22/03/2005 21:16:27
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Mie nu imi suna bine chestia asta:

Dear Friends,
I am Gaurav Dhwaj Khadka from Kathmandu, Nepal and I am 22 years old guy. I am student and I am doing my BA in English, Sociology and Anthropology. I am also learning photography but as my first work, I got the job at a local newspaper to shot photo for them and I was sent to take photographs of Andaman and NICO bar islands in India. But it was that I was also hit by the tsunami and I lost my camera and a good friend that help me in all my troubles and problems. I was also injured by that nightmare and have a pierce a nail in my right hand over an elbow, but I was a lucky one that I survive but I feel myself guilty because my friend did not want to go over there but I presser him to go with me. Because of me he lost his life, so I feel that I will never touch the camera and never take any photo in my life but back in home in Nepal. I find a note book of my lost friend in my room that was filled with his word about me and he wanted to me be a famous photographer and film makers. He was an orphan so my mom treats him as her own son so he feels that I was a brother to him, so he wanted me to be a good and famous photographer of Nepal. I did not even get the body of my brother, now I am quite well but as I uplift any heavy things with my right hand it hurt like hell. By time pass physical wound will heal but the wound that I got on my heart never heals. So I thought to start over again my friend dreams. So I have to start from nothing because I have lost my all camera. So I beg you to send me any SLR camera as donations or I will pay you back but only as installments of 100 US$ each installment. I was using Nikon FM 10 with 28-80-2.8 lens. It is best for me if you can send me Nikon FM10 w/35-70mm lens Or 500 US$. I will pay you back I promise you, so please do help me. You can also send me any other books or note books about photography and other cameras that you do not use. It will be very helpful for me, the world is changing a lot with digital camera and I love to get one, if any body have one that you do not use that or you get new one than please do send me that too with its all manual and soft wear for that I will pay you back or as donations.
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Pt. Cassandra - de Paianjenul la: 16/06/2005 13:06:05
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
"Evolutia este un concept deosebit de important pentru bunastarea omenirii, stiinta medicala si intelegerea lumii. Este o teorie plina de credibilitate, sustinuta de un numar crescind de probe si studii stiintifice acceptate de oamenii de stiinta."


- Daca asa stau lucrurile, cum iti explici ca - te citez:

"Creationismul care are pretentia de a fi o stiinta are astazi din ce in ce mai multi adepti in defavoarea teoriei evolutioniste."?!...

...si ca,

acesti "din ce in ce mai multi adepti" nu mai sint babele si mosii analfabeti din nu stiu care catun de munte "uitat de Dumnezeu"... ci sint indivizi care au dobindit pe cai oneste una sau mai multe diplome universitare (si isi desfasoara si in prezent activitatea) - nu in domeniul arhitecturii, artelor plastice, etc... ci - sic - in domeniul biologiei, fizicii atomice, geologiei... sau mai stiu eu carei discipline de al carei suport teoria evolutionista are nevoie cu atita disperare pentru a supravietui?!...

Te invit sa inspectezi modesta lista de mai jos, si sa precizezi pe citi dintre cei enumerati in ea ii suspectezi de incompetenta/lipsa de onestitate academica... ce anume ii descalifica (,) ca autentici oameni de stiinta... si ce anume ii plaseaza in inferioritate academica in raport cu oamenii de stiinta care accepta varianta evolutionista:

1. Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
2. Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
3. Dr James Allan, Geneticist
4. Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
5. Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
6. Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
7. Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
8. Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
9. Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
10. Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
11. Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
12. Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
13. Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
14. Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
15. Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
16. Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
17. Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
18. Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
19. Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
20. Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
21. Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
22. Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
23. Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
24. Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
25. Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
26. Dr Bob Compton, DVM
27. Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
28. Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
29. Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
30. Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
31. Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
32. Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
33. Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
34. Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
35. Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
36. Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
37. Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
38. Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
39. Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
40. Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
41. Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
42. Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
43. Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
44. Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
45. Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
46. Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
47. Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
48. Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
49. Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
50. Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
51. Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
52. Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
53. Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
54. Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
55. Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
56. Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
57. Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
58. Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
59. Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
60. Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
61. Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
62. Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
63. Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
64. Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
65. Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
66. Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
67. Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
68. Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
69. Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
70. Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
71. Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
72. Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
73. Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
74. Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
75. Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
76. Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
77. Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
78. Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
79. Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
80. Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
81. Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
82. Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
83. Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
84. Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
85. Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
86. Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
87. Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
88. Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
89. Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
90. Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
91. Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
92. Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
93. Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
94. Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics
95. Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
96. Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
97. Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
98. Dr Alan Love, Chemist
99. Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
100. Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
101. Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
102. Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
103. Dr John McEwan, Chemist
104. Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
105. Dr David Menton, Anatomist
106. Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
107. Dr John Meyer , Physiologist
108. Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
109. Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
110. Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
112. Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
113. Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
114. Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
115. Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
116. Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
117. Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
118. Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
119. Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
120. Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
121. Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
122. Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
123. Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
124. Prof. Richard Porter
125. Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
126. Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
127. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
128. Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
129. Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
130. Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
131. Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
132. Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
133. Dr Ian Scott, Educator
134. Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
135. Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
136. Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
137. Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
138. Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
139. Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
140. Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
141. Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
142. Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist
143. Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
144. Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
145. Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education
146. Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
147. Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
148. Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
149. Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
150. Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
151. Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
152. Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
153. Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
154. Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
155. Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
156. Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
157. Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
158. Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
159. Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
160. Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
161. Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
162. Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
163. Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
164. Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
165. Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
166. Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
167. Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
168. Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
169. Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
170. Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
171. Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
172. Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
horica - de Belle la: 19/07/2005 15:23:36
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "4")
ce matinal esti.......

iete un banc:

70 year old George went for his annual physical. All of his tests came back with great results. Dr. Smith said, "George everything looks great physically. How are you doing mentally, emotionally and are you at peace with your self and have a good relationship with God?"

George replied, "God and me are tight. We are so close that when I get up in the middle of the night, poof! The light goes on & I go to the bathroom and then poof! The light goes off!"

"Wow," commented Dr. Smith, "That's incredible!"

A little later in the day Dr. Smith called George's wife. "Thelma," he said, "George is just fine. Physically he's great.But I had to call because I'm in awe of his relationship with God. Is it true that he gets up during the night and poof! The light goes on in the bathroom and then poof! The light goes off?"

Thelma replied, "Darn fool! He's peeing in the fridge again!"
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om - de Cassandra la: 11/08/2005 00:54:27
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
Tu nu citeai cind erai mic carti de Sagan, Asimov, von Daniken? Aveam o carte de von Daniken in copilarie, "Amintiri despre viitor" parca, si o tineam ca pe o comoara iar autorul mi se parea cel mai destept om din lume :) Parca el afirma ca in evolutia umana au intervenit extraterestrii. Dar azi cine mai crede in teoriile lui? Stiai ca a scris in inchisoare? Da, tipul era un excroc...si uite asa se prabusesc miturile :(

Ai auzit de Michio Kaku? Cred ca este noul meu "erou". A scris o carte "Lumi paralele" cotata ca fiind foarte buna. Tipul continua munca lui Einstein cu privirea la "Teoria Totului", ce bine suna, nu?
Michio spunea despre civilizatiile mai avansate:
"Although any conjecture about such advanced civilizations is a matter of sheer speculation, one can still use the laws of physics to place upper and lower limits on these civilizations. In particular, now that the laws of quantum field theory, general relativity, thermodynamics, etc. are fairly well-established, physics can impose broad physical bounds which constrain the parameters of these civilizations."

Un astrofizician rus clasifica prin 1964 civilizatiile avansate in functie de consumul de energie in tipul I, II, III, tipul I domina energia planetara, tipul II cea stelara si tipul III pe cea galactica. Ghici ce tip e civilizatia noastra? Nu sintem decit o "salbatica" civilizatie de TIPUL 0...Unii spun ca peste aproximativ 200 de ani o sa atingem tipul I :(

Daca vrei poti citi la http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_alien_civs.shtml

Intr o civilizatie de tip I remarca lui Mark Twain (”Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.“) ar fi pura istorie.

Dar sa raminem cu capul pe umeri totusi si sa ne uitam bine in jur. Ce au reusit sa prevada cu exactitate oamenii (ma refer la preziceri sociologice)? Nici macar caderea comunismului care daca stam bine sa ne gindim era atit de previzibila...
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Sunt mai multe feluri de yoga - de mya la: 07/10/2005 01:24:45
(la: Ce credeti despre yoga)
Sunt mai multe feluri de yoga. Uite aici cate ceva despre subiect daca te intereseaza, numai ca e in engleza textul. Regrete sincere ca nu l-am tradus.

<"i>Yoga is a form of mysticism that developed on the Indian subcontinent in the Hindu cultural context. Its origin is impossible to trace, because it dates back to before recorded history. Yoga comes in many forms specifically designed to suit different types of people. As a result, some forms of yoga have gained significant popularity outside India, particularly in the West during the past century.

Introduction

The word Yoga originates from the Sanskrit word "Yuj" (literally, "to yoke") and is generally translated as "union" - "integration" - to yoke, attach, join, unite. Yoga is therefore the union and integration of every aspect of a human being, from the innermost to the external. According to Yoga experts, the union referred to by the name is that of the individual soul with the cosmos, or the Supreme.

Yoga has both a philosophical and a practical dimension. The philosophy of yoga ("union") deals with the nature of the individual soul and the cosmos, and how the two are related. The practice of yoga, on the other hand, can be any activity that leads or brings the practitioner closer to this mystical union - a state called self-realization. Over thousands of years, special practical yoga techniques have been developed by experts in yoga, who are referred to as Yogis (male) and Yoginis (female).

These Yoga techniques cover a broad range, encompassing physical, mental, and spiritual activities. Traditionally, they have been classified into four categories or paths: the path of meditation (Raja Yoga), the path of devotion (Bhakti Yoga), the path of selfless service to the Divine (Karma Yoga), and the path of intellectual analysis or the discrimination of truth and reality (Jnana Yoga). The most conspicuous form of yoga in the West, Hatha Yoga - consisting of various physical and breathing exercises and purification techniques - is actually the third and the fourth stages of Ashtanga Yoga of Yoga Sutras by Patanjali.

Clients and friends enjoy Yoga as means of bringing balance into their lives. They report greater clarity in their meditations and a sense of releasing issues that hold them back.

Yoga enhances every facet of physical fitness the mind/body energy exchange supports a mental clarity and concentration. The strength improves posture/alignment to support our daily activities. The flexibility helps to prevent injuries and keeps us supple and youthful. The breathing practices are the foundation and the link between the mind and the body, providing a valuable tool for releasing tension and reducing stress.

The practice of yoga teaches us how to quiet the mind by placing attention on the breath, and also on the movement (stillness) of the body. "
Sadly, an Honest Creationist - de Cassandra la: 18/12/2005 23:11:34
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
by Richard Dawkins

Reproduc acest articol, este lung dar merita lectura cu prisosinta:

Creation “scientists” have more need than most of us to parade their degrees and qualifications, but it pays to look closely at the institutions that awarded them and the subjects in which they were taken. Those vaunted Ph.D.s tend to be in subjects such as marine engineering or gas kinetics rather than in relevant disciplines like zoology or geology. And often they are earned not at real universities, but at little-known Bible colleges deep in Bush country.

There are, however, a few shining exceptions. Kurt Wise now makes his living at Bryan College (motto “Christ Above All”) located in Dayton, Tennessee, home of the famed Scopes trial. And yet, he originally obtained an authentic degree in geophysics from the University of Chicago, followed by a Ph.D. in geology from Harvard, no less, where he studied under (the name is milked for all it is worth in creationist propaganda) Stephen Jay Gould.

Kurt Wise is a contributor to , a compendium edited by John F. Ashton (Ph.D., of course). I recommend this book. It is a revelation. I would not have believed such wishful thinking and self-deception possible. At least some of the authors seem to be sincere, and they don’t water down their beliefs. Much of their fire is aimed at weaker brethren who think God works through evolution, or who clutch at the feeble hope that one “day” in Genesis might mean not twenty-four hours but a hundred million years. These are hard-core “young earth creationists” who believe that the universe and all of life came into existence within one week, less than 10,000 years ago. And Wise—flying valiantly in the face of reason, evidence, and education—is among them. If there were a prize for Virtuoso Believing (it is surely only a matter of time before the Templeton Foundation awards one) Kurt Wise, B.A. (Chicago), Ph.D. (Harvard), would have to be a prime candidate.

Wise stands out among young earth creationists not only for his impeccable education, but because he displays a modicum of scientific honesty and integrity. I have seen a published letter in which he comments on alleged “human bones” in Carboniferous coal deposits. If authenticated as human, these “bones” would blow the theory of evolution out of the water (incidentally giving lie to the canard that evolution is unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific: J. B. S. Haldane, asked by an overzealous Popperian what empirical finding might falsify evolution, famously growled, “Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian!”). Most creationists would not go out of their way to debunk a promising story of human remains in the Pennsylvanian Coal Measures. Yet Wise patiently and seriously examined the specimens as a trained paleontologist, and concluded unequivocally that they were “inorganically precipitated iron siderite nodules and not fossil material at all.” Unusually among the motley denizens of the “big tent” of creationism and intelligent design, he seems to accept that God needs no help from false witness.

All the more interesting, then, to read his personal testimony in In . It is actually quite moving, in a pathetic kind of way. He begins with his childhood ambition. Where other boys wanted to be astronauts or firemen, the young Kurt touchingly dreamed of getting a Ph.D. from Harvard and teaching science at a major university. He achieved the first part of his goal, but became increasingly uneasy as his scientific learning conflicted with his religious faith. When he could bear the strain no longer, he clinched the matter with a Bible and a pair of scissors. He went right through from Genesis 1 to Revelations 22, literally cutting out every verse that would have to go if the scientific worldview were true. At the end of this exercise, there was so little left of his Bible that

. . . try as I might, and even with the benefit of intact margins throughout the pages of Scripture, I found it impossible to pick up the Bible without it being rent in two. I had to make a decision between evolution and Scripture. Either the Scripture was true and evolution was wrong or evolution was true and I must toss out the Bible. . . . It was there that night that I accepted the Word of God and rejected all that would ever counter it, including evolution. With that, in great sorrow, I tossed into the fire all my dreams and hopes in science.

See what I mean about pathetic? Most revealing of all is Wise’s concluding paragraph:

Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young-age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate. Here I must stand.

See what I mean about honest? Understandably enough, creationists who aspire to be taken seriously as scientists don’t go out of their way to admit that Scripture—a local origin myth of a tribe of Middle-Eastern camel-herders—trumps evidence. The great evolutionist John Maynard Smith, who once publicly wiped the floor with Duane P. Gish (up until then a highly regarded creationist debater), did it by going on the offensive right from the outset and challenging him directly: “Do you seriously mean to tell me you believe that all life was created within one week?”

Kurt Wise doesn’t need the challenge; he volunteers that, even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture, and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence. This leaves me, as a scientist, speechless. I cannot imagine what it must be like to have a mind capable of such doublethink. It reminds me of Winston Smith in struggling to believe that two plus two equals five if Big Brother said so. But that was fiction and, anyway, Winston was tortured into submission. Kurt Wise—and presumably others like him who are less candid—has suffered no such physical coercion. But, as I hinted at the end of my previous column, I do wonder whether childhood indoctrination could wreak a sufficiently powerful brainwashing effect to account for this bizarre phenomenon.

Whatever the underlying explanation, this example suggests a fascinating, if pessimistic, conclusion about human psychology. It implies that there is no sensible limit to what the human mind is capable of believing, against any amount of contrary evidence. Depending upon how many Kurt Wises are out there, it could mean that we are completely wasting our time arguing the case and presenting the evidence for evolution. We have it on the authority of a man who may well be creationism’s most highly qualified and most intelligent scientist that no evidence, no matter how overwhelming, no matter how all-embracing, no matter how devastatingly convincing, can ever make any difference.

Can you imagine believing that and at the same time accepting a salary, month after month, to teach science? Even at Bryan College in Dayton, Tennessee? I’m not sure that I could live with myself. And I think I would curse my God for leading me to such a pass.

Richard Dawkins is the Charles Simonyi Professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. An evolutionary biologist and prolific author and lecturer


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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived" Isaac Asimov
24:31 - de Cassandra la: 28/02/2006 21:38:54
(la: Caricaturile lui Mahomed)
Trei traduceri in engleza:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.

And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.


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I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
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Lanţul infinit; Interpretarea Copenhaga - de anadi108 la: 13/06/2006 19:55:17
(la: Absolutul şi Cauzalitatea)
Bombastus a scris:
citându-l pe anadi
'Introducerea conceptului de lanţ cauzal infinit, nu are nici o bază,
ci e o speculatie fără nici un suport experimental, '

spunând:
Matematicienii sint destul de obisnuiti cu notiunea de 'infinit'. In filozofie suportul experimental nu este obligatoriu, doar logica.

Replică:
În filozofie suportul experimental este esenţial,
o filozofie fără suport experimental este o speculaţie, nu un adevăr.
iar logica nu este un criteriu de adevăr,
ci doar un mechanism, care poate duce la minciuni
dacă premisele de la care se pleacă sunt minciuni.

Bombastus a scris:

Interpretarea din Copenhaga, 1927. faptul ca Einstein si alti oameni de stiinta au crezut pina in ceasul mortii ca va fi descoperita o cauza pentru pentru comportamentul indeterminist observat al particulelor cuantice, nu este un argument.

Replică :
Nu e vorba de nici o credinţă că va fi descoperită o cauză, ci de postularea unor variabile ascunse, necunoscute, care fac imposibilă predictibiliatea fenomenelor cuantice.
Problema e că se confundă predictibilitatea cu cauzalitatea.

Arată, te rog, cum caracterul indeterminist al particulelor cuantice sunt o dovadă pentru evenimente fără cauză.

Bombastus a scris:
Esti la curent cu progresele stiintei din 1927 incoace?

Te rog citeşte aici:

The causal stochastic approach is 'the only known interpretation of quantum mechanics in terms of which all quantum effects can be explained on the basis of causal continuous motions in space and time' (p. 142). It has no place for the ill-defined notion of wave-packet collapse. There is only a 'pseudo-collapse', which 'simply represents a change of our knowledge and does not correspond to any real physical changes in the state of the system' (p. 147). Vigier says that even if the quantum-potential approach 'is not taken as a fully satisfactory description of quantum mechanical reality, it at least shows in a clear way the features that such a description must entail' (p. 169).

Vigier shows how, in stark contrast to the Copenhagen interpretation, the causal interpretation is able to provide an intelligible and visualizable explanation of key experiments such as the double-slit experiment and neutron-interferometry experiments (pp. 137-72). In the double-slit experiment, if both slits are open an interference pattern builds up on the screen even if electrons approach the slits one at a time. In the Copenhagen interpretation, a single particle supposedly passes in some indefinable sense through both slits and interferes with itself, whereas in the causal approach each particle passes through only one slit whereas the pilot wave passes through both. If a device is used to detect through which slit each particle travels, the interference pattern disappears. In the Copenhagen interpretation, the measurement collapses the wave function, whereas in the causal approach it affects the real pilot wave. The Copenhagen interpretation claims that any path-determining measurement will destroy the interference pattern, whereas the causal interpretation predicts that interference will persist if future techniques allow a sufficiently subtle, nondemolition measurement to be performed.

Neutron-interferometry experiments reproduce the double-slit configuration with massive particles and introduce new interaction possibilities through neutron spin. In these experiments, something exchanges energy with the spin-flip coils in the two arms of the interferometer, and this interaction almost certainly involves real neutrons rather than nebulous probability waves. Although such experiments cannot yet determine the path of each individual neutron, they prove 'the incompleteness of the quantum-mechanical Copenhagen description because the persistence of an interference pattern is combined with the existence of a definite trajectory for each particle, a fact forbidden in the Copenhagen interpretation' (p. 257). In other words, the wave and particle aspects of matter can manifest simultaneously in the same experimental setup, thereby contradicting the complementarity principle.

Vigier argues that quantum entanglement (EPR-type) experiments leave no doubt that quantum mechanics is a nonlocal theory, i.e. that quantum systems can show correlations that cannot be explained in terms of classical forces or signals propagating at or slower than the speed of light. However, the EPR experiments conducted to date still contain loopholes, and Chebotarev puts the probability of nonlocal connections at about 90% (for a dissident view, see Thompson, 1998). Vigier proposes that nonlocal interactions are not absolutely instantaneous but causal and superluminal; they are mediated by the quantum potential, carried by superluminal phase waves in a Dirac-type ether consisting of superfluid states of particle-antiparticle pairs. (If superluminal connections were brought about by individual particles rather than phase waves, this would contradict relativity theory, which Vigier upholds.)
Vigier writes:
In my opinion the most important development to be expected in the near future concerning the foundations of quantum physics is a revival, in modern covariant form, of the ether concept of the founding fathers of the theory of light . . . [I]t now appears that the vacuum is a real physical medium which presents some surprising properties . . . (p. 272)




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Einstein si religia - de Cassandra la: 18/07/2006 19:04:41
(la: Ce este chestia aia numita stiinta?)

Rational rose,

citatele pe care le dai nu sint tocmai exacte, si pe linga ca sint scoase din contextul lor, au fost modificate partial pentru a da un nou sens cuvintelor lui Einstein. Nu ai spirit stiintific, daca l-ai fi avut ai fi verificat corectitudinea acestora inainte de a le publica. Asa incit ai preferat sa crezi ca cel de la care le-ai preluat este de buna credinta. De curind s-au scos la lumina niste scrisori in care Einstein ii marturisea unei "prietene" ca era satul de relativitate (soon I'll be fed up with the relativity). Azi, ar fi mai satul ca oricind pentru ca multe din afirmatiile sale sint distorsionate sau chiar i se atribuie pe nedrept afirmatii pe care nu le-a facut niciodata. Religia este un bun exemplu. Einstein s-a declarat agnostic si numai citind integral gindurile si cugetarile sale nu numai citate preluate din Internet, se poate intelege care era viziunea sa despre religie si Dzeu. In notele sale autobiografice spune ca religiozitatea sa s-a intrerupt brusc la virsta de 12 ani:

"Citind cartile de popularizare a stiintei am ajuns la convingerea ca mare parte din povestirile biblice nu puteau fi adevarate" (Einstein, Note autobiografice, 1979)

Si tot Einstein spunea mai tirziu in "O conversatie cu Einstein" (Hermanns) ca "E foarte posibil ca noi sa putem face mult mai mult decit Isus, pentru ca ceea ce este scris in Biblie despre el este infrumusetat in mod poetic"

Cit despre Dzeu, este bine stiut ca Einstein nu lua in serios ideea unui dzeu personal: "Ideea unui Dzeu personal este un concept antropologic pe care nu sint in stare sa-l iau in serios" (scrisoare catre Hofman si Dukas)

Dspre religie:
“The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms-it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.” (Einstein, Lumea asa cum o vad eu)

Se poate aproxima viziunea lui Einstein filozofiei panteiste in nici un caz nu a fost un adept al vreuneia din religiile abrahamice si nu este nicidecum exemplul potrivit pentru a apara punctul acestora de vedere. In privinta relatiei stiinta-religie, odata inteles la ce se refera Einstein prin religie, aceasta capata alte dimensiuni.
Pe de alta parte Einstein atrage atentia asupra conflictului stiinta- religie (se refera de data asta la marile religii organizate):

(...conflictul apare) “ atunci cind o comunitate religioasa insista asupra adevarului absolut al afirmatiilor continute in Biblie. Aceasta inseamna o interventie a religiei in sfera stiintei; acolo trebuie sa situam lupta Bisericii importriva ideilor lui Galileo si Darwin. Pe de alta parte reprezentanti ai stiintei au intentat de multe ori sa ajunga la judecati fundamentale asupra valorilor si scopurilor bazindu-se in metoda stiintifica, si au intrat astfel in conflict cu religia. Toate aceste conflicte au dat nastere la erori fatale. “ (Einstein, Ideile si opiniile mele)

Asa incit cind spui: “Sunt suficiente argumente pentru care sa credem in Biblie si in Dumnezeu, argumente stiintifice...s-au implinit cu precizie uimitoare sute de evenimente prezise cu mii de ani in urma, mai "stiintific" de asa...” nu faci decit sa ilustrezi ceea ce afirma Einstein in sensul conflictului religie-stiinta - sa contribui la acest conflict.

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nanoArt - Cris Orfescu - de Dinu Lazar la: 31/07/2006 20:44:34
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
- New photographer: Cris Orfescu

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#148121, de Cri Cri - de Baloo_ la: 27/09/2006 19:30:38
(la: actionati ecologic la nivelul vostru?)
Ce nevoie ai sa faci separarea cu pricina?
Sa nu mai fie nevoie de instalatii de epurare

5. Wikipedia :
Ecology, or ecological science, is the scientific study of the distribution and abundance of living organisms and how the distribution and abundance are affected by interactions between the organisms and their environment. The environment of an organism includes both physical properties, which can be described as the sum of local abiotic factors such as solar insolation, climate and geology, as well as the other organisms that share its habitat. The term oekologie was coined in 1866 by the German biologist Ernst Haeckel, although it seems that Henry David Thoreau had already invented it in 1852 [1]; the word is derived from the Greek οικος (oikos, "household") and λόγος (logos, "study"); therefore "ecology" means the "study of the household [of nature]" .

- avem amandoi dreptate. In orice caz nu se ocupa cu protectia mediului inconjurator ci cu cunoasterea sa.

5' Si pentru ...

"Traiesc astazi, iar maine mai vedem?"
Traiesc astazi ca poate maine nu mai am ocazia :)))


Habar n-am sa fac un pronostic. Sic!
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148152, de Baloo - de Cri Cri la: 27/09/2006 23:21:47
(la: actionati ecologic la nivelul vostru?)
Nu uita ca stabilisem deja: detergenti ecologici. Ok? Bun.
Toate mediile au capacitate de autoepurare; descompunere si utilizare a compusilor organici. Ce anume tip de "mizerie" poate fi in haine sau pe vase, care n-ar putea fi "procesata" simplu, de alte organisme? Asta in conditiile de care vorbeam (la modul utopic) in care nici un fel de (alti) poluanti (an)organici n-ar "umbla dezlegati" prin aer, apa si hrana.:))

5. Wikipedia :
Ecology, or ecological science, is the scientific study of the distribution and abundance of living organisms and how the distribution and abundance are affected by interactions between the organisms and their environment..The environment of an organism includes both physical properties, which can be described as the sum of local abiotic factors such as solar insolation, climate and geology, as well as the other organisms that share its habitat. The term oekologie was coined in 1866 by the German biologist Ernst Haeckel, although it seems that Henry David Thoreau had already invented it in 1852 1; the word is derived from the Greek οικος (oikos, "household") and λόγος (logos, "study"); therefore "ecology" means the "study of the household of nature" .

Tu imi subliniezi altceva, in aceeasi definitie, dar asta inseamna ca o limitezi, nu ca avem dreptate amandoi. Sau eu am mai multa dreptate. Sau tu ai altfel de dreptate :)))
Si.. din nou ne "razbom" pe termeni. Cui ii pasa? In ideea ca ecologia si protectia mediului n-ar fi unul si acelasi lucru, tot nu vad de ce ultima ar fi mai putin importanta.

5' numai pentru.
Dar, cum habar n-avem sa facem un pronostic, s-ar putea sa fie "aproape pentru" sau "aproximativ pentru" sau "inca pentru" sau...:))))

Traiesc astazi ca poate maine nu mai am ocazia :)))
Calmeaza-te, stai departe iar Grendel-ul meu nu bate pana acolo! :))))))
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Habar n-am sa fac un pronostic (sic!).
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sex life - de dhkdukabh la: 29/11/2006 09:49:34
(la: PALAVRE DE CAFENEA (Trancaneala- editie speciala))
An eighty-year-old man was having an annual physical.
As the doctor was listening to his heart with the stethoscope, he began muttering,
"Oh, oh!"
The man asked the doctor,
"What's the problem?"
"Well," said the doc,
"You have a serious heart murmur, do you smoke?"
"No," replied the man.
"Do you drink in excess?"
"No." replied the man.
"Do you have a sex life?"
"Yes, I do!"
"Well," said the doctor,
"I'm afraid with this heart murmur; you'll have to give up half your sex life."
Looking perplexed, the old man said,
"Which half - the looking or the thinking?"

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