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alex - de Belle la: 03/09/2004 20:46:09
(la: despre barbati ... fara suparare :))
ok... ar trebui sa-ti inchipui, da' pana atunci hai sa vedem daca cineva iti raspunde la intrebare.

pentru mine chestia cu fundul paros e ca prima din sirul (a se citi "shir" dupa definitia data de tine) de "insulte" de mai jos (se vede ca iar imi curat computerul)

Roses are red, violets are blue, I once thought I was ugly, until I saw you!

Just because you have one doesn't mean you have to act like one!

A man's got to do what a man's got to do. A woman must do what he can't.

Men's brains are like the prison system - not enough cells.

Stupidity does not qualify as a handicap, park elsewhere!

You have a right to your opinions. I just don't want to hear them.

You're breath' so stinky I don't know whether I should give you a breath mint or toiletpaper!

If you can't live without me, why aren't you dead already?

You'd make a lovely corpse!

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception.

Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it?

Did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?

You love nature in spite of what it did to you?

I want to reach your mind - where is it currently located?

I wish I'd known you when you were alive.

If you ever had a bright idea, it would be beginner's luck!

What's on your mind? If you'll forgive the overstatement.

When you go to the mind reader, do you get half price?

I look into your eyes and get the feeling someone else is driving.

You're a mouse studying to be a rat.

Don't look now, but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you.

Every time I'm next to you, I get a fierce desire to be alone.

I can't believe that out of 100,000 sperm, you were the quickest!

If you ever become a mother, can I have one of the puppies?

There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure.

Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out?

You're a good example of why some animals eat their young.

~~~ I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
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Leica sau Leika? - de Dinu Lazar la: 22/09/2004 23:47:38
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Cam multa lume in Ro confunda catzelusha sacrificata de rusi si facuta cosmonauta in anii `50 cu aparatul foto...

Dear Leica friends,

Today we would like to inform you about:

__Premiere at the photokina: Leica Camera AG stages photo
exhibition »24 x 36« to mark 50th anniversary of
Leica rangefinder system
__Naturblick magazine and Leica Camera AG raffle 100 signed
copies of nature photographer Franz Bagyi's new book _At the photokina: “Weitblick“ – the flying display of birds
of prey with free testing of Leica binoculars and scopes _Your opinion counts! Win a LEICA DIGILUX 2 _Don’t miss LFI 07/2004! Available from September 29

__Premiere at the photokina: Leica Camera AG stages photo
exhibition »24 x 36« to mark 50th anniversary of
Leica rangefinder system

Leica Camera AG, Solms, is showing outstanding pictures of young Leica M photographers at the photokina in Cologne from 28th September to 3rd October 2004. The title of this exhibition, »24 x 36«, alludes to the central importance of the ideal format for 35mm camera film found by Oskar Barnack. The exhibition has been especially organized for this year's photokina, where it will be on view to an international public for the first time. The presentation at the photokina is the start of an exhibition tour. The next stop is the Leica Gallery in Frankfurt, where the photos will be shown for four weeks starting 9th October 2004. The idea behind the exhibition is to mark the three anniversaries of the Leica rangefinder system that the Solms company is celebrating this year: In 1879, 125 years ago, Oskar Barnack, the ingenious inventor of the Leica, was born. 90 years ago, in 1914, he created the basis for his revolutionary camera concept with the Ur-Leica. And in1954, fifty years ago, Ernst Leitz launched the first rangefinder camera, the LEICA M3, on the market.

Further information on the Leica M System

__Naturblick magazine and Leica Camera AG raffle 100 signed
copies of nature photographer Franz Bagyi's new book

On October 3rd, 2004, the last day of the photokina fair, the magazine Naturblick and Leica Camera AG will be raffling a total of 100 copies of the book ‚Verborgene Blicke’ – Ungewöhnliche Wege der Naturfotografie’ at the Leica booth (hall 2.2). The author, the well-known Leica photographer Franz Bagyi, will be at the Leica booth to sign them. Anyone donating at least five euros to the nature conservation project “Büngernsche/Dingdener Heide“ between September 28th and October 3rd, 2004 will automatically take part in the prize draw. Entry cards are available at the Sport Optics section of the Leica booth.

Further information on the Leica R-System

__At the photokina: “Weitblick“ – the flying display of birds
of prey with free testing of Leica binoculars and scopes

The “Weitblick“ promotion offered for the first time at this year's photokina is an extra special event for nature lovers and birdwatchers. Every day from September 28th to October 3rd 2004, birdwatchers and nature lovers will have the opportunity to watch the flying display of the birds of prey of the game preserve Hellenthal from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. Visitors interested in watching the flying skills of a total of seven kinds of birds of prey (including eagles, vultures and various types of falcon) in more detail on a specially erected outside stage on the banks of the river Rhine can borrow Leica high-end binoculars and scopes free of charge. The flying display will be conducted under the expert control of a trained falconer at a distance of about 80 meters from the stage. The stage is on the Kennedy bank only a few steps from the main entrance to the Cologne fair. At the photokina weekend, the platform on the banks of the Rhine is open to the general public as well.

Further information on the Leica binoculars and spotting scopes

__Your opinion counts! Win a LEICA DIGILUX 2

Participate in our online questionnaire regarding the Leica
Products and win a LEICA DIGILUX 2. The questionnaire is
available at
The interview takes about 5 minutes of your time. All information
will of course be handled strictly confidential. Every participant
in the survey will take part in a raffle of the LEICA DIGILUX 2.
Good luck!

Further information on the LEICA DIGILUX 2

__Don’t miss LFI 07 / 2004! Available from September 29

Fresh samples with Digital Module R: Introducing the digital
back for the Leica R – LFI 07 / 2004 presents the new
product and pictures. After having publicised early samples
in LFI 06 / 2004, LFI now reveals a sequence of new test
images from one of the last pre-serial models. They confirm
that Leica will be living up to high expectations.

50 years of Leica M: Where’s the rangefinder system at
after half a century? Why the fascination? LFI takes a walk
down memory lane and points out the highlights and
particularities from 50 years of Leica M production. Also
illustrated, how Leica managed to transfer the principle of
precision manufacture to the present day.

M à la Carte: Flamboyant or inconspicuous, elaborate or
plain – launching November 1, M7 or MP customers will
have nearly 4000 component combinations at their disposal
and thus be able to select the preferred attributes for their
personal M. LFI speak with Jean-Jacques Viau, marketing
manager of the business unit Photo at Leica, on the story
behind the new project and how the offer is best taken
advantage of.

Portfolios: Dr Erich Salomon Prize for a life’s work: an
homage to the great photographer, Will McBride, whose
close personal relationships with his subjects manifested as
the central theme of his work. Oskar Barnack Prize 2004:
only 10 photographers made it into the jury’s shortlist. LFI
presents their work

Crystal screen technology: LFI is one of the world's first
magazines to adopt crystal screen printing technology. An
advantage for our readers is that photos can now be
reproduced in magazine print without a trace of the print
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presentation of Leica photography.

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din corespondenta de azi; se pare ca am dat-o in bara - de Dinu Lazar la: 24/09/2004 09:28:48
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Imi scrie un fotograf american:

I saw this article in the local newspaper on 9/22, but could not find anything else on it. Know I am not a voyeur and I don't photograph for lascivious purposes, but this legislation concerns me. There was a gentleman recently arrested for photographing young girls at the public pool with his camera phone. I think he should be arrested, but I wondered if APA, ASMP, and EP should keep an eye on the language in the legislation.
How many times have you stood on the public street (thinking you are within the law) to photograph a scene in front of you? Would it cause a problem for photographers?

Here is an excerpt from the article that was in the National digest section:

House cracking down on video voyeurism

"... the House on Tuesday approved legislation to make it a crime to secretly photograph or videotape people, often for lascivious purposes.
Under the legislation passed by voice vote, video voyeurism on federal lands would be punishable by a fine of not more than $100,000 or imprisonment for up to a year, or both.
Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said the issue of surreptitious videotaping has become 'a huge privacy concern' with the miniaturization of technology..."

Will this be a problem for photographers in the future?
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e bine sa studiezi mai mult... - de spirit_intelept la: 10/10/2004 07:38:33
(la: Gregorian Bivolaru - MISA, guru şi servicii secrete)
Draga mya,

ultimul tau reply mi s-a parut destul de amuzant. Inclusiv acum, cand raspund la el, zambesc :). Hai sa le luam pe rand:

1. Cu atributele pe care ti le-am acordat, de orgolioasa, inflexibila etc ti-am mai scris un reply. Dupa ultimele tale post-uri, as mai putea sa adaug la cele ce am scris atunci inca niste observatii care vin in sprijinul acestei etichetari pe care ti-am facut-o. Mai nou am impresia ca din pacate chiar iti imbogatesti repertoriul de calomnii la adresa mea (de ex sfarsitul reply-ului tau), ceea ce evident nu-ti face cinste in nici un fel. Chiar si felul in care ai raspuns la comentariul lui vajra, in care acesta a prezentat la un mod deosebit anumite realitati spirituala, te pune intr-o situatie proasta. Se pare ca oricate argumente, nume de maestri spirituali, etc...ti-ar aduce cineva in sprijinul tantrei, la tine toate acestea "s-au mai auzit deja". Te dai singura ca exemplu de inchistare mentala.

2. Dupa cum ti-ai dat si tu seama "aparenta mea dificultate de logica" de fapt a venit din faptul ca am considerat ca stiai deja faptul ca Krishna intr-adevar a avut viata sexuala chiar foarte bogata. Acum imi dau seama nu numai ca nu stiai acest lucru, ba chiar negi asta. Inainte sa incepem o polemica pe aceasta tema, am sa-ti explic anumite faze din viata lui Krishna, care arata intensul lui erotism chiar de la varste fragede.
De ex cand era mic si le-a surprins pe gopi-uri facand baie dezbracate, le-a ascuns hainele si nu le-a returnat decat atunci cand acestea, lasand sfiala la o parte, au venit pe mal sa-l implore a le da hainele inapoi. Intr-o prima faza chiar ele isi ascundeau cu o mana nuditatea, dar Krishna nu le-a facut pe plac decat atunci cand gopi-urile au inceput sa-l roage cu ambele maini...asta era in copilaria lui. De fapt gopi-urile erau asa de uimite de aceste fapte ale lui, care majoritatea aveau un substrat specific sexual, incat nici macar nu mai stiau cum sa reactioneze.
Cand Krishna a crescut mai mare, scrierile sacre indiene (Vishnu-purana, Bhagavata-purana, Harivansa, Narada-Pancharatra si Brahma-Vaivarta) ne relateaza adevarate episoade erotice in care era implicat Krishna:
With a young, new moon sailing untroubled through the balmy autumn nights, Krishna felt playful and exuberant . . . sometimes, stirred on by pleasurable emotions, he sported with girls from the camp through the dark, warm nights. The girls ecstatically drank in his countenance as if it were the moon come to earth. With his bright arm bands and wild flower garlands, Krishna's glowing presence made all Vraja glow. Entranced by his graceful ways, the girl herders greeted him joyously as he strolled about. They pressed their full, swelling breasts against him, their eyes darting about. Eluding the restraint of mothers, fathers, and brothers, the pleasure drunk girls dashed through the night to his side. Forming a row, they sang praises of his deeds, each girl striving to outdo the others . . . Their limbs were soon covered with dust and dung as they struggled to satisfy Krishna, like excited female elephants topped by an aroused bull elephant. With wide eyes beaming with love, the deer eyed girls thirstily drank in their lover's dark form. Then others had their chance to find pleasure in his arms. When he sighed with pleasure, the girls joyously echoed his melodious sounds. Their hair, once carefully bound and parted, lay strewn about as they fell back fulfilled, stray hairs caressing the nipples of their breasts. On many a moonlit autumn night, Krishna and the herder girls joined in these revels, amusing themselves in delicious play.
(citat din Harivansa)
Daca vrei, iti mai pot oferi asemenea citate din carti sacre indiene precum si din comentariile unor mari indianisti.
Deci draga mya, mi s-a parut amuzant cand tu ca sa combati tantrismul l-ai adus in discutie chiar pe Krishna care, asa cum am mai spus, este o incarnare (avatar) a aspectelor de iubire si fericire din fericire pentru noi iubirea divina nu inseamna doar a privi stelele ci si capacitatea noastra de face dragoste la un mod sublim.

3. Oricum, din ultimul tau comentariu remarc faptul ca esti intr-o stare de 3 ori ai spus ca nu vrei sa-ti raspund sau sa iti explic anumite aspecte. Eu am sa urmez totusi adevarul, asa cum este el prezentat in scrierile traditionale, si in masura in care va fi necesar am sa-ti raspund si in continuare.

Spirit Intelept
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lectura de vineri - de Dinu Lazar la: 15/10/2004 08:40:04
(la: O conversatie cu DINU LAZAR, fotograf)
Dear reader,

This week's PDNOnline is filled with news, an audio interview with photojournalist Tom Stoddart, a new feature on portable lighting techniques and much more.


- Senior editor Reuel Golden previews Photo New York, a three-day gallery and dealer show aimed at collectors of contemporary photography.

- Even after the recent death of its founder, Eddie Adams, the workshop known as Barnstorm carries on without a hitch.
[slideshow included]

- The W. Eugene Smith Fund has awarded its $30,000 Grant in Humanistic Photography as well as a $5,000 Fellowship Grant.

- Questions For Creatives: Young & Rubicam art buyer Rosalba Berardi discusses her likes and dislikes.
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Audio Interview With Tom Stoddart

London-based photojournalist Tom Stoddart strives to stimulate positive change through his photos. We asked him to tell the stories behind some of the more striking images in his recent exhibition and book, iWitness (Trolley).
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Ask The Experts

Rob Winner has been taking readers' questions on digital imaging, workflow and color management. This week, Winner, a commercial photography veteran and faculty member at Brooks Institute of Photography, offers some advice to readers confused about file formats. To read his advice, or to post a question of your own, visit the Ask the Experts Forum, produced by Brooks and PDN.
Online Feature Story: Lighting Gear on the Go

We continue our October feature story on the benefits of portable lighting with three more case studies on experienced portrait shooters who achieve studio-quality control while lighting on location -- using what fits in a portable lighting case. ($subscriber premium$)
PDN And Olympus Team Up To Present VisionAge

This new site co-produced by PDN and Olympus features slideshows, product reviews and a stunning portfolio from Magnum photojournalists Alex Majoli and Paolo Pellegrin, who go behind-the-scenes at Olympus Fashion Week 2004.


PhotoPlus Expo

The editors of PDN are looking forward to seeing readers and old friends at PhotoPlus Expo, being held at New York's Javits Center this year October 21-23. You can save time by registering online now for the East Coast's most comprehensive trade show, featuring over200 exhibitors, gallery shows, demos, leading industry speakers. While you're at it, you can also sign up for some of the more than 100 photography and design seminars and hands-on workshops PDN has organized.
Be sure to stop by the PDN booth at PhotoPlus and say hello.
Best wishes,

The Editors
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banc - de (anonim) la: 11/11/2004 18:58:50
(la: Banc: doi mosi pe o banca...)
an old man speaks to a young man: in my life i was rich and poor...believe me,rich is better
muzica grea - de Tudor-Cristian la: 14/11/2004 14:46:38
(la: Ce melodie iubiti acum?)
Nimic nu e intamplator. Faptul ca ascultam mereu si mereu unele melodii spune ceva despre muzica aceea. Eu ii zic "muzica grea".
Sunt acele melodii care nu mor niciodata, si oricand le-ai asculta, tot iti plac. Intervin mai multe : linia melodica deosebit de reusita, o interpretare de zile mari, vocea supervaloroasa, cu personalitate, soundul, calitatea inregistrarii, valoarea textului... toate astea alcatuiesc muzici grele ce nu mor, si n-au cum sa moara. Sunt sigur ca si nepotii mei vor asculta cu placere anumite melodii care vin de pe vremea parintilor mei ! Cateva exemple, din punctul meu de vedere : Metalica : Nothing alse metter ; Guns N`Roses : November Rain ; Beatles : Yesterday ; Eagles : Hotel California ; Alphaville : Forever Young ; Elvis Presley : Love me tender ; Compact : Fata din vis ; Iris : Cine ma striga-n noapte ; Phoenix : Andri Popa ;...
Exemplele ar putea continua.
Nu uitati sa va bucurati sufletul ! Auditie placuta.
...tot canadiana... - de SB_one la: 16/11/2004 18:52:56
(la: De ce ai decis sa nu emigrezi?)
Boss to four of his employees: "I'm really sorry, but I'm going to
have to let one of you go."

-Black Employee: "I'm a protected minority."
-Female Employee: "And I'm a woman."
-Oldest Employee: "Fire me, buster, and I'll hit you with an age discrimination suit so fast it'll make your head spin."

To which they all turn to look at the helpless young, white, male
employee, who thinks a moment, then responds:
......"I think I might be gay..."
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To my kentucky valentine:) - de Horia D la: 11/02/2005 17:11:39
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata)
dupa cum stiti, luni va fi valentine's day, deci poemul de mai jos e pentru
toate fefelinele:)))

Collards is green,
my dog's name is Blue
and I'm so lucky
to have a sweet thang like you.

Yore hair is like cornsilk
a-flapping in the breeze.
Softer than Blue's
and without all them fleas.

You move like the bass,
which excite me in May.
You ain't got no scales
but I luv you anyway.

Yo're as satisfy'n as okry
jist a-fry'n in the pan.
Yo're as fragrant as "snuff"
right out of the can.

You have some'a yore teeth,
for which I am proud;
I hold my head high
when we're in a crowd.

On special occasions
when you shave under yore arms,
well, I'm in hawg heaven,
and awed by yore charms.

Still them fellers at work
they all want to know,
what I did to deserve
such a purdy, young doe.

Like a good roll of duct tape
yo're there fer yore man,
to patch up life's troubles
and fix what you can.

Yo're as cute as a junebug
a-buzzin' overhead.
You ain't mean like those far ants
I found in my bed.

Cut from the best cloth
like a plaid flannel shirt,
you spark up my life more
than a fresh load of dirt.

When you hold me real tight
like a padded gunrack,
my life is complete;
Ain't nuttin' I lack.

Yore complexion, it's perfection,
like the best vinyl sidin'.
despite all the years,
yore age, it keeps hidin'.

Me 'n' you's like a Moon Pie
with a RC cold drank,
we go together
like a skunk goes with stank.

Some men, they buy chocolate
for Valentine's Day;
They git it at Wal-Mart,
it's romantic that way.

Some men git roses
on that special day
from the cooler at Kroger.
That's impressive," I say.

Some men buy fine diamonds
from a flea market booth.
"Diamonds are forever,"
they explain, suave and couth.

But for this man, honey,
these just won't do.
Cause yo're too special,
you sweet thang you.

I got you a gift,
without taste nor odor,
More useful than diamonds...
it's a new troll'n motor!!
giocoldel si paianjenul... - de nasi la: 19/02/2005 00:44:16
(la: progresul in medicina - bun sau rau?)
sa-mi fie cu iertare, ca nu vreau sa va agravez. dar beethoven a surzit mai incolo... spre sfirsitul vietii. motzart in scimb, a fost surd bocna de mic copil. (intrucit nu a fost deshumat pt autopsie cu tehnologie moderna, nu se stie cu exactitate daca asa s-a nascut, sau i se datoreaza batailor primite de la tatal sau).
M. L. Lenhart(imi cer scuze ca reproduc textul fara traducere):
The upper range of human air conduction hearing is believed to be no higher than about 24,000 Hz (1); nevertheless, there have been reports of humans hearing well into the ultrasonic range but only when the ultrasonic stimuli are delivered by bone conduction (2-4). Furthermore, ultrasonic bone conduction hearing in humans has been readily demonstrated in various conditions of auditory pathology, including sensorineural hearing loss and middle ear disorders (2). Ultrasonic stimulation of the skull with frequencies up to 108 kHz induces a perception of sound within the head without any sensation of cutaneous feeling (2-4), suggesting that these high frequencies are being processed in a modality other than the vibratory-somatosensory system.
In contrast to the excellent frequency discrimination found in the midsonic auditory range, ultrasonic perception has been described as having poor frequency-resolving ability (3). This interpretation originates from reports that the pitch elicited by ultrasonic stimulation is similar to the pitch of the highest air conduction frequency detectable, that is 8 to 16 kHz (4). Because the perceived pitch of ultrasonic tones was associated with the upper limit of conventional air conduction hearing, these investigators assumed that the perceived audible sensation produced by ultrasonic stimuli consisted only of fixed pitch with monotonal quality. In addition, it was assumed that ultrasonic detection was a by-product of some form of cochlear processing that activated sensorineural elements within the classical auditory system (4) and, as such, offered little in the form of an additional communication channel.
We next sought to determine the ability of humans to resolve frequency in the ultrasonic range, using a paradigm in which ten additional normal, young adult subjects (N2)(23 to 25 years of age) were required to indicate just noticeable differences (JNDs) in pitch to tonal stimuli of 6, 11, 2, 32, and 40 kHz (7). The subjects were able to discriminate changes in frequency, although there was a steady increase in the JNDs from 2 to 40 kHz (Fig. 1C). In the auditory range the JNDs ranged from 0.4 to 1.0% of the stimulus frequency, whereas in the ultrasonic range the JNDs were on the order of 10% of the stimulus frequency. These data reinforce the premise that pitch discrimination does occur in the ultrasonic range but that frequency discrimination in the ultrasonic range differs from that in the more conventional auditory range.
We next sought to determine if individuals with impaired high frequency hearing could detect ultrasonic speech. Ten older subjects (50 to 82 years of age) (N4) were given complete audiograms [as in (5)], including ultrasonic testing, and these threshold data were compared to those previously generated in normal, young adults. At frequencies between 1,000 and 10,000 Hz, all older subjects exhibited substantial hearing loss typical of age-related deafness (Fig. 1A). However, both subject groups displayed similar ultrasonic thresholds regardless of age or hearing loss in the conventional auditory range (Fig. 1B) These data confirm the ability of human subjects to detect sounds in the ultrasonic range despite a significant hearing loss normally associated with aging (2). Furthermore, in a subsequent experiment with five additional subjects with age-related hearing loss (55 to 75 years of age) (N5), speech stimuli were amplitude-modulated onto a 28-kHz carrier frequency and presented in a single-word, oral-response discrimination task (10). Mean accuracy was found to be 58% with a range of 45 to 70%. All of the subjects discriminated words at a level considerably better than chance. The lower scores for the older group relative to the young group were due to incorrect identification of a single consonant sound within the target word.

............... toata polilologhia asta au mai numit-o si... "mozart effect"

acestea fiind clarificate, astept in continuare opinii la problema in discutie.
Fefe - de giocondel la: 12/03/2005 07:17:38
(la: Barfa)
In primul rand, cred ca ar fi inspirat sa imi cer scuze anticipat, probabil si acum voi scrie un mesaj lung lung. Eu nu ma pricep in ale scrisului, sunt mai degraba un bunicel orator.

FEFE: “ Ceea ce tu ne spui este idealizarea omului, care din pacate nu exista. Omul e om, si nu-l vei putea niciodata face "divin", nici tu, nici eu, nimeni, decit numai Dumnezeu.”

Draga Fefe, in raspuns, as dori sa incerc sa pun in perspectiva faptul ca omului de acum 600 de ani, I s-a fi parut idel si imposibil ca omul viitorului sa faca descoperirile ce au fost facute in ultimii 150 de ani. Mintea omului renascentist era incetosata indeajuns sa respinga argumente stiintifice, sa nu ii acorde lui da vinci sansa de a-si pune in practica teoriile si ca pareau utopice, idealiste, imposibile.

La fel cum poate unuia ce a trait in vreo perioada intunecata , in vreun trib sangeros ce ingropa nou nasacutii- fete, I s-ar fi parut utopic , ideal, sa ii spui ca intr-o zi, cat de curand, oamenii vor ajunge la concluzia ca femeile sunt fiinte umane, cu drepturi egale .

cand poetesa iraniana Tahirih si-a aruncat valul, acum 150 de ani si a spus: "ma puteti ucide dar emanciparea femeii nu o puteti opri!" si a fost martirizata, corpu-i fiind aruncat intr-o fantana parasita, multi au crezut ca nu e zdravana la cap, ca idealul despre care vorbeste ea va ramane intotdeauna un exceptia acelor oameni ai vremii ce detineau viziune patrunzatoare si care au inteles , admirat si raspandit povestea ei.

Ceea ce catalogati dumneavoastra ca fiind "Ideal"- adica imposibil de atins- este de fapt directia inspre care se indreapta umanitatea, si chiar daca descoperirile stiintifice au doua taisuri ( vezi puterea de distrugere conferita de tehnologia moderna), cert este ca omului I se dezvolta capacitatile si calitatile pe zi ce trece. Omul depaseste bariere nu demult negandite , chiar si pe plan spiritual. Din ce in ce mai mult omenirea incepe sa inteleaga ca aceasta planeta nu ar trebui privita in bucatele, ca suntem cu totii locuitorii aceleasi immense tari, prejudecatile de rasa, religie, statut social desi prezente si accentuate in diferite culturi, incep incet sa dispara sau sa se atenueze si curand omenirea va intelege ca daca unitatea rasei umane nu va fi atinsa, ne vom autodistruge. Asta implica eliminarea prejudecatilor de natura rasiala, religioasa,stautut social , etc.., implica eliminarea imensei prapastii dintre cei bogati si saraci, cultivarea principiului de egalitate in drepturi intre femei si barbati, acces universal la educatie, atingerea unei armonii intre religie si stiinta, etc etc…ceea ce in ultima instanta va conduce la Pace generala :):) alta utopie, veti zice poate...:):)
Omul viitorului, un viitor nu foarte indepartat, va apartine unei noi rase umane, o rasa ce va ajuge la echilibru interior, isi va dezvolta capacitatile spirituale, se va trezi si va cunoaste adevaruri inca scunse privirii umane.o rasa ce nu va mai cunoaste diviziunea si va fi unita.

Adevarat, Dumnezeu ne-a facut divini. Cand ne-a creat. In acelasi timp noi insine avem alegerea si puterea de a mentine un echilibru al dualitatii noastre, de a ne concentra pe ceea ce este luminos, a descoperi in noroiul imaginatiilor noastre false si iluzorii atribute spirituale, a le dezvolta si a le manifesta in viata de zi cu zi.

Refuz sa cred ca oamenii nu se pot trezi din somnambulism, ca ei vor refuza intr-una sa se cunoasca asa cum sunt, frumosi, divini, nobili, bogati si sa inceapa transformarea acestei planete (al carui echilibru este zdruncinat) prin Exemplul Personal.

Daca eu aleg sa imi rafinez caracterul si imi educ spiritul sa manifeste in ganduri si actiuni aspecte pozitive si energii benefice, daca eu aleg sa fac bine si refuz sa barfesc un alt om, si refuz sa fac compromisuri la slujba, si refuz sa fur, si refuz sa denigrez si sa calomniez pe cei din jur, daca eu aleg sa trec peste propriile mele dorinte egoiste si ma pun in slujba umanitatii cu abnegatie, daca imi tratez vecinul mai bine decat m-as trata pe mine insami, daca imi ridic munca la rang de rugaciune, daca aleg sa manifest in viata mea pace cu toata daruirea…desi se spune ca nu se face primavara cu o floare, am curajul sa contrazic si sustin cu Convingere ferma si nestramutata ca: BA da , se face! pentru ca fiecare primavara are o prima floare a ei..totul are un inceput.

Si daca si dumneavoastra veti face acelasi lucru este imposibil ca macar un om sa nu fie atins si incins de “idealismul” acesta si sa nu faca si el acelasi lucru…unu plus unu plus unu…nici nu banuiti cat de puternic este efectul unei actiuni pure, bine motivate…

Omul este ca o lampa prafuita. Desi, inerent, poseda capacitatea de a oferi lumina in jurul sau, este acoperit cu praful ego ului , vanitatii, negativismului..cunoasteti lista. Tot ce trebuie s a facem, este sa stergem si sa indepartam acest val pentru ca Divinul exista in noi si straluceste chiar daca nu este scos, in mare parte, la suprafata inca.

noapte buna, numai bine!

multumesc de elucidare, nu observasem smecheria cu pseudonimul nairda:)

With the hands of loving-kindness I have planted in the holy garden of paradise the young tree of your love and friendship, and have watered it with the goodly showers of My tender grace; now that the hour of its fruiting is come, strive that it may be protected, and be not consumed with the flame of desire and passion."
-The Persian Hidden Words-

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banc de dimineata: Fleas!! - de Horia D la: 18/03/2005 15:09:22
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "2")
Two fleas had an arrangement to meet every winter in Miami for a vacation.

Last year when one flea got to Miami, he was shivering and shaking. The other flea asked him, Why are you shaking so badly? The first flea said, "I rode down here from Jersey in the moustache of a guy on a Harley." The other flea responded, "That's the worst way to travel. Try what I do. Go to the airport bar have a few drinks. While you are there, look for a nice & pretty stewardess. Crawl up her leg and nestle where it is warm and cozy. It's the best way to travel I can think of." The first flea thanked the second flea and said he would give it a try next winter. A year goes by & when the first flea shows up in Miami, he is shivering and shaking again. The second flea asks, "Didn't you try what I told you?" "Yes", says the first flea, "I did exactly as you said. I went to the airport bar, I had a few drinks.Finally this nice young stewardess came in. I crawled right up to her warm cozy spot. It was so nice and warm that I fell asleep. When I woke up I was back in the moustache of a guy on a Harley."
oral sex - de anisia la: 30/03/2005 22:28:45
(la: Ati facut vreodata sex oral ?)
Young Johnny asks grandpa: Do you still have sex with granny?
Grandpa says: Yes, but only oral.
Johnny asks: What is oral?
Grandpa says: I say f**k you, she says f**k you too.

Do you know we exist? - de psychedelic la: 10/04/2005 07:04:57
(la: Lacrimi Mangaiate de Realitate(partea a II a))
Do you know the warm progress
under the stars?

Do you know we exist?

Have you forgotten the keys
to the kingdom

Have you been borne yet
& are you alive?

Let's reinvent the gods, all teh myths
of the ages

Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests

[Have you forgotten the lessons
of the ancient war]

We need great golden copulations

The fathers are cackling in trees
of the forest

Our mother is dead in the sea

Do you know we are being led to
slaughters by placid admirals

& that fat slow generals are getting
obscene on young blood

Do you know we are ruled by T.V.

The moon is dry blood beast

Guerrilla bands are rolling numbers
in the next block of green vine

amassing for warfare on innocent
herdsman who are just dying

O great creator of being

grant us one more hour to
perform our art
& perfect our lives

The moths & atheists are doubly divine
& dying

We live, we die
& death not ends it

Journey we more into the
Cling to life
Our passion'd flower

Cling to Cunts & cocks
of despair

We got our final vision
by clap

Columbus groin got
filled w/green death

(I touched her thigh
& death smiled)

We have assembled inside this ancient
& insane theatre

To propagate our lust for life
& flee the swarming wisdom
of the streets

The barns are stormed

The windows kept

& only one of all the rest

To dance & save us

W/the divine mockery
of words

Music inflames temperament

(When the true King's murderers

are allowed to roam free

a 1000 Magicians arise in the land)

Where are the feasts

we are promised

Where is the wine
The New Wine
(dying on the vine)
resident mockery
give us an hour for magic
We of the purple glove
We of the starling flight
& velvet hour
We of arabic pleasures's breed
We of sundome & the night

Give us a creed

To believe

A nightr of lust

Give us trust in

The Night

Give of color

hundred hues

a rich mandala

for me & for you

& for your silky

pillowed house

a head, wisdom

& a bed

Troubled decree

Resident mockery

has claimed thee

We used to believe

in the good old days

We still receive

In little ways

The things of Kindness

& unsporting brow

Forget & allow

Did you know freedom exists
in school books

Did you know madmen are
running our prisons

w/in a jail, w/in a gaol
w/in a white free protestant

We're perched headlong
on the edge of boredom

We're reaching for death
on the end of a candle

We're trying for something
that's already found us

Wow, I'm sick of doubt
Live in the light of certain

Cruel bindings

The sevants have the power

dog-men & their mean women
pulling poor blankets over
our sailors

I'm sick of dour faces
Starong at me from the T.V.

Tower, I want roses in
my garden bower; dig?

Royal babies, rubies
must now replace aborted

Strangers in the mud

These mutants, blood-meal
for the plant that's plowed
they are waiting to take us into
the severed garden

Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful
comes death on a stranger hour
unannounced, unplanned for

like a scaring over-friendly guest you've
brought to bed

Death makes angels of us all
& gives us wings
where we had shoulders
smooth as raven's

No more money, no more fancy dress
This other kingdom seems by far the best
until its other jaw reveals incest
& loose obedience to a vegetable law

I will not go
Prefer a feast of friends
To the Giant family
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An older, white haired man wa - de Horia D la: 04/05/2005 23:10:21
(la: Trancaneala Aristocrata "2")
An older, white haired man walked into a jewelry store one Friday
evening with a beautiful young gal at his side. He told the jeweler he
was looking for a special ring for his girlfriend.
The jeweler looked through his stock and brought out a $5,000 ring and
showed it to him. The old man said, "I don't think you understand, I
want something very special."
At that statement, the jeweler went to his special stock and brought
another ring over. "Here's a stunning ring at only $40,000," the jeweler
said. The young lady's eyes sparkled and her whole body trembled
with excitement. The old man seeing this said, "We'll take it."

The jeweler asked how payment would be made and the old man stated,
by check. " I know you need to make sure my check is good, so I'll
write it now and you can call the bank Monday to verify the funds and
I'll pick the ring up Monday afternoon," he said.

Monday morning, a very teed-off jeweler phoned the old man. "There's
no money in that account."
"I know", said the old man, "but can you imagine the weekend I had?"
Pt. Cassandra - de Paianjenul la: 16/06/2005 13:06:05
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
"Evolutia este un concept deosebit de important pentru bunastarea omenirii, stiinta medicala si intelegerea lumii. Este o teorie plina de credibilitate, sustinuta de un numar crescind de probe si studii stiintifice acceptate de oamenii de stiinta."

- Daca asa stau lucrurile, cum iti explici ca - te citez:

"Creationismul care are pretentia de a fi o stiinta are astazi din ce in ce mai multi adepti in defavoarea teoriei evolutioniste."?!... ca,

acesti "din ce in ce mai multi adepti" nu mai sint babele si mosii analfabeti din nu stiu care catun de munte "uitat de Dumnezeu"... ci sint indivizi care au dobindit pe cai oneste una sau mai multe diplome universitare (si isi desfasoara si in prezent activitatea) - nu in domeniul arhitecturii, artelor plastice, etc... ci - sic - in domeniul biologiei, fizicii atomice, geologiei... sau mai stiu eu carei discipline de al carei suport teoria evolutionista are nevoie cu atita disperare pentru a supravietui?!...

Te invit sa inspectezi modesta lista de mai jos, si sa precizezi pe citi dintre cei enumerati in ea ii suspectezi de incompetenta/lipsa de onestitate academica... ce anume ii descalifica (,) ca autentici oameni de stiinta... si ce anume ii plaseaza in inferioritate academica in raport cu oamenii de stiinta care accepta varianta evolutionista:

1. Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
2. Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
3. Dr James Allan, Geneticist
4. Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
5. Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
6. Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
7. Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
8. Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
9. Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
10. Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
11. Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
12. Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
13. Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
14. Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
15. Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
16. Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
17. Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
18. Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
19. Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
20. Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
21. Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
22. Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
23. Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
24. Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
25. Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
26. Dr Bob Compton, DVM
27. Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
28. Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
29. Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
30. Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
31. Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
32. Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
33. Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
34. Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
35. Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
36. Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
37. Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
38. Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
39. Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
40. Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
41. Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
42. Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
43. Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
44. Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
45. Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
46. Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
47. Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
48. Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
49. Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
50. Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
51. Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
52. Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
53. Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
54. Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
55. Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
56. Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
57. Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
58. Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
59. Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
60. Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
61. Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
62. Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
63. Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
64. Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
65. Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
66. Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
67. Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
68. Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
69. Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
70. Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
71. Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
72. Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
73. Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
74. Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
75. Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
76. Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
77. Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
78. Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
79. Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
80. Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
81. Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
82. Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
83. Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
84. Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
85. Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
86. Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
87. Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
88. Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
89. Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
90. Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
91. Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
92. Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
93. Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
94. Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics
95. Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
96. Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
97. Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
98. Dr Alan Love, Chemist
99. Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
100. Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
101. Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
102. Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
103. Dr John McEwan, Chemist
104. Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
105. Dr David Menton, Anatomist
106. Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
107. Dr John Meyer , Physiologist
108. Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
109. Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
110. Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
112. Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
113. Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
114. Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
115. Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
116. Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
117. Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
118. Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
119. Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
120. Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
121. Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
122. Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
123. Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
124. Prof. Richard Porter
125. Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
126. Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
127. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
128. Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
129. Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
130. Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
131. Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
132. Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
133. Dr Ian Scott, Educator
134. Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
135. Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
136. Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
137. Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
138. Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
139. Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
140. Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
141. Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
142. Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist
143. Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
144. Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
145. Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education
146. Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
147. Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
148. Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
149. Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
150. Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
151. Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
152. Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
153. Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
154. Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
155. Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
156. Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
157. Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
158. Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
159. Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
160. Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
161. Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
162. Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
163. Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
164. Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
165. Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
166. Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
167. Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
168. Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
169. Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
170. Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
171. Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
172. Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
tot morrison - de teo_05 la: 23/06/2005 10:34:59
(la: Cele mai frumoase poezii)
An American Prayer

Do you know the warm progress under the stars?
Do you know we exist?
Have you forgotten the keys to the Kingdom?
Have you been borne yet and are you alive?

Let's reinvent the gods, all the myths of the ages
Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests
(Have you forgotten the lessons
of the ancient war?)

We need great golden copulations

The fathers are cackling in trees of the forest
Our mother is dead in the sea

Do you know we are being led to slaughters by placid admirals
and that fat slow generals are getting obscene on young blood

Do you know we are ruled by T.V.
The moon is a dry blood beast
Guerilla bands are rolling numbers in the next block of green vine
amassing for warfare on innocent herdsmen who are just dying

O great creator of being
grant us one more hour to perform our art
and perfect our lives

The moths and atheists are doubly divine and dying
We live, we die
and death not ends it
Journey we more into the Nightmare
Cling to life our passion'd flower
Cling to cunts and cocks of despair
We got our final vision by clap
Columbus' groin got filled with green death

(I touched her thigh and death smiled)

We have assembled inside this ancient and insane theatre
To propagate our lust for life and flee the swarming wisdom of the streets
The barns are stormed
The windows kept
and only one of all the rest
To dance and save us
With the divine mockery of words
Music inflames temperament

(When the true King's murderers are allowed to roam free
a 1000 magicians arise in the land)

Where are the feasts we were promised
Where is the wine
The New Wine (dying on the vine)

resident mockery
give us an hour for magic
We of the purple glove
We of the starling flight and velvet hour
We of arabic pleasure's breed
We of sundome and the night

Give us a creed
To believe
A night of Lust
Give us trust in
The Night

Give of color
hundred hues
a rich Mandala
for me and you

And for your silky
pillowed house
a head, wisdom
and a bed

Troubled decree
Resident mockery
has claimed thee

We used to believe
in the good old days
We still receive
In little ways

The Things of Kindness
And unsporting brow
Forget and allow

Did you know freedom exists in a school book
Did you know madmen are running our prison
within a jail, within a gaol
within a white free protestant

We're perched headlong on the edge of boredom
We're reaching for death on the end of a candle
We're trying for something
That's already found us

We can invent Kingdoms of our own
grand purple thrones, those chairs of lust
and love we must, in beds of rust

Steel doors lock in prisoner's screams
and muzak, AM, rocks their dreams
No black men's pride to hoist the beams
while mocking angels sift what seems

To be a collage of magazine dust
Scratched on foreheads of walls of trust
This is just jail for those who must
get up in the morning and fight for such

unusable standards
while weeping maidens
show-off penury and pout
ravings for a mad staff

Wow, I'm sick of doubt
Live in the light of certain

Cruel bindings
The servants have the power
dog-men and their mean women
pulling poor blankets over
our sailors
(and where were you in our lean hour)
Milking your moustache?
or grinding a flower?
I'm sick of dour faces
Staring at me from the T.V.
Tower. I want roses in
my garden bower; dig?
Royal babies, rubies
must now replace aborted
Strangers in the mud
These mutants, blood-meal
for the plant that's plowed

They are waiting to take us into the severed garden
Do you know how pale and wanton thrillful
comes death on strange hour
unannounced, unplanned for
like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed
Death makes angels of us all and gives us wings
where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws

No more money, no more fancy dress
This other Kingdom seems by far the best
until its other jaw reveals incest
and loose obedience to a vegetable law

I will not go
Prefer a Feast of Friends
To the Giant family

Great screaming Christ
Lazy Mary will get you up
upon a Sunday morning

"The movie will begin in 5 moments"
The mindless Voice announced
"All those unseated, will await
The next show"

We filed slowly, languidly
into the hall. The auditorium
was vast, and silent.
As we seated and were darkened
The Voice continued:

"The program for this evening
is not new. You have seen
This entertainment thru and thru.
You've seen your birth, your
life and death; you might recall
all of the rest -- (did you
have a good world when you
died?) -- enough to base
a movie on?"

An iron chuckle rapped our
minds like a fist.

I'm getting out of here
Where're you going?
To the other side of the morning
Please don't chase the clouds
pagodas, temples

Her * gripped him
like a warm friendly

"It's all right.
All your friends are here."

When can I meet them?
"After you've eaten"
I'm not hungry
"O, we meant beaten"

Silver stream, silvery scream,
impossible concentration

Here come the comedians
look at them smile
Watch them dance
an indian mile

Look at them gesture
How aplomb
So to gesture everyone

Words dissemble
Words be quick
Words resemble walking sticks

Plant them
They will grow
Watch them waver so

I'll always be
a word-man
Better than a birdman

But I'll charge
Won't get away
w/out lodging a dollar

Shall I say it again
aloud, you get the point
No food w/out fuel's gain

I'll be, the irish loud
unleashed my beak
at peak of powers

O girl, unleash
your worried comb

O worried mind

Sin in the fallen
Backwoods by the blind

She smells debt
on my new collar

Arrogant prose
Tied in a network of fast quest
Hence the obsession

Its quick to admit
Fats borrowed rhythm
Woman came between them

Women of the world unite
Make the world safe
For a scandalous life

Hee Heee
Cut your throat
Life is a joke

Your wife's in a moat
The same boat
Here comes the goat

Blood Blood Blood Blood
They're making a joke
of our universe

Are you more real than me
I'll burn you, and set you free
Wept bitter tears
Excessive courtesy
I won't forget

A hot sick lava flowed up,
Rustling and bubbling.
The paper-face.
Mirror-mask, I love you mirror.

He had been brainwashed for 4 hrs.
The LT. puzzled in again
"ready to talk"
"No sir" -- was all he'd say.
Go back to the gym.
Very peaceful

Air base in the desert
looking out venetian blinds
a plane
a desert flower
cool cartoon

The rest of the World
is reckless and dangerous
Look at the
Stag films

A ship leaves port
mean horse of another thicket
wishbone of desire
decry the metal fox
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proudfreckled - de Cassandra la: 16/07/2005 02:16:51
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
Shannon are meritul de a fi pus bazele matematice ale teoriei comunicatiei si de a fi elaborat o definitie precisa pentru notiunea de informatie. Teoria sa ofera metode robuste de masurare cantitativa a informatiei si are aplicatii in aproape toate domeniile inclusiv in biologie.

Gitt a ocupat in trecut pozitii importante in cadrul Instit. Federal German de Fizica si Tehnologie, si a publicat articole despre stiinta informatiei, matematica si inginerie. Nu este insa un expert in teoria evolutiei.
In cartea sa “La inceput a fost informatia”, Gitt sustine ca Shannon a omis in teoria informatiei notiunea de “scop” si “semnificatie” a unui mesaj, ca urmare elaboreaza o serie de “teoreme” menite sa completeze teoria acestuia. Si totul pentru a sustine ideea ca pentru ca informatia sa existe, e nevoie de inteligenta si cum molecula de ADN contine informatie, singura explicatie este ca ea a fost creata de Dumnezeu. O mutatie genetica presupune noua informatie deci conform teoremelor lui Gitt mutatiile inclusiv cele care conduc la boli grave, sint actiunea lui Dzeu! Intr-adevar marinimie. Pedepseste fiintele inainte de a comite macar pacatul de a veni pe lume... Cred ca nu e nevoie sa mai adaug ca Gitt este un creationist, si in treacat pot sa spun ca nu ma mira deloc ca un creationist participa impreuna cu altii la o megaconferinta, intrunire sau cum vor sa-i spuna.

Cit priveste “ce vor sa demonstreze toti acesti oameni”, nu este nici un mister. Ei VOR SA DEMONSTREZE ca stiinta evolutiei este gresita pentru ca cred ca ea ameninta bazele credintei lor religioase. Am mai spus ca “stiinta” creationista a aparut ca reactie impotriva tuturor acelor teorii stiintifice care in mod aparent contrazic preceptele religiei. Si se pare ca au un mare interes in a avea succes, doar ca afirmatiile bazate pe credinta ca tot ceea ce are o complexitate ireductibila a putut fi creat doar de Dumnezeu, nu pot fi ipoteze stiintifice.

In privinta ultimei tale intrebari, trebuie luat in considerare faptul ca creationismul se opune evolutiei si ataca metodologia stiintifica deci ataca stiinta adevarata. Gitt este un creationist si ca atare imbratiseaza ideile creationiste. Iar consecintele acestui fapt pot fi dezastroase pentru toata omenirea. Doar trecind in revista programul megaconferintei creationiste, care are pretentia de intrunire stiintifica, si ma trec fiori:

What’s the Best Evidence that God Created?
How to Defend the Christian Faith in a Secular World
Apemen, “missing links” and the Bible
The Importance of Chronology in the Bible
The History and Impact of the Book The Genesis Flood
Genesis: The Bottom Strip of the Christian Faith
Image of God or Planet of Apes?
The Ice Age: Only the Bible Explains It
Distant Starlight: Not a Problem for a Young Universe
In the Beginning Was Information
Noah’s Ark and the Flood
Two Hundred Years of Christian Compromise on the Age of the Earth
Jesus in Genesis: the Messianic Prophecies
Our Galaxy at the Center of the Universe: Dark Matter and Dark Energy?

Am inteles opinia ta cu privire la imposibilitatea explicarii multor aspecte cum este aparitia de molecule complexe, in definitiv aparitia vietii pe pamint, si sint de acord ca deocamdata stiinta nu are raspunsuri la multe intrebari. Dar de aici si pina la a afirma ca intreaga teorie a evolutiei nu se sustine, ca stiinta nu functioneaza si ca urmare singura explicatie este creatia divina, este o mare diferenta. Nu ne invirtim in nici un cerc – sint intrebari la care stiinta nu a raspuns inca sau la care poate niciodata nu va raspunde, pretentie pe care stiinta nici nu o are. Dar e gresit sa interpretam lipsa de raspunsuri ca o lipsa de valabilitate.

Evolutia pe pamint este certa. Dezbaterile stiintifice sint cu privire la teoria evolutiei cea care explica modul in care s-a produs evolutia speciilor pe pamint. De fapt avem de-a face cu mai multe teorii si ipoteze. In multe aspecte, exista consens cu privire la aceste teorii, alte aspecte sint inca dezbatute de oamenii de stiinta, totusi acest fapt nu trebuie perceput (asa cum incearca creationistii sa dea impresia) ca o lipsa de coerenta sau ca o shubrezie a intregii teorii.
De ce spun ca teoria evolutiei este importanta. Ca mod de a explica lumea, prin faptul ca nu situeaza omul in centrul universului viu asigura o mai buna apropiere a acestuia fata de natura din care provine, si in consecinta asigura o mai buna apropiere intre oameni si ii confera omului o pozitie mai “umila” in raport cu universul. In medicina aplicarea teoriei evolutiei conduce la o mai buna intelegere a modului de a lupta impotriva bolilor si germenilor. Din motivul asta si din multe altele, a condus la cresterea bunastarii oamenilor. Nu este greu sa facem un exercitiu de gindire si sa ne imaginam lumea in absenta acestor principii, de fapt nu avem decit sa ne uitam in jur si sa cautam in istorie.
Colin Patterson si creationistii - de Cassandra la: 22/07/2005 17:51:06
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
"Colin Patterson, detinatorul celei mai mari colectii de fosile (British Museum of Natural History): "Nu exista nici macar o singura forma de tranzitie intre fosilele descoperite pentru care sa avem o completa justificare ... Daca as fi avut cunostinta de asemenea dovezi, fosile sau creaturi inca in viata, le-as fi mentionat cu siguranta ... Voi pune toate cartile pe masa - nu exista nici macar o fosila de acest gen pentru care sa avem argumente imbatabile." si are peste 7 milioane de exemplare si e de orientare evolutionista. Sau iar o sa dea careva vina pe creationisti."

Daca afirmatia “iar o sa dea careva vina pe creationisti” vrea sa atraga atentia asupra faptului ca creationistii sint victimele inocente ale unei conspiratii, exemplul referitor la Colin Patterson este cit se poate de elocvent pentru a demonstra de fapt contrariul. Ilustreaza cred cit se poate de bine dorinta creationistilor de a induce publicului larg ideea ca “nici macar evolutionistii nu cred in evolutie”. Am mai spus ca una din metodele creationiste este aceea de a intocmi liste de oameni de stiinta care nu sprijina evolutia si sint deosebit de interesati sa puna pe astfel de liste biologi cit mai reprezentativi, iar Colin Patterson a fost desigur o buna “captura”. Am sa incerc deci sa expun “povestea” lui Patterson pentru ca toata lumea sa o cunoasca.

Colin Patterson a lucrat intr-adevar la British Museum of Natural History din Londra, si a fost un biolog specializat in cladistica (metoda de clasificare taxonomica a organismelor pe baza asemanarii lor). In cadrul sistematicii organismelor el apartinea unui curent care sustinea ca clasificarea organismelor trebuie sa se realizeze urmind exclusiv legaturile logice intre specii bazate strict pe asemanarile si diferentele intre ele fara sa se considere evolutia ca un adevar a priori. Patterson avea dreptate cind afirma ca este o eroare atunci cind o premiza este folosita si ca concluzie si atita timp cit scoala sa nu folosea evolutia ca premiza, aveau libertatea de a o folosi ca concluzie.

In 1981 Patterson a dat o conferinta la care au participat oameni de stiinta interesati in domeniul sistematicii. Ceea ce nu stia insa era ca in public se afla un creationist care ii inregistra conferinta. Inregistrarea a inconjurat apoi lumea si desi destul de defectuasa s-a transformat intr-o “proba” care sa intareasca opinia creationista ca Patterson nu credea in evolutie. Patterson insusi spunea:

“Unfortunately, and unknown to me, there was a creationist in my audience with a hidden tape recorder. A transcript of my talk was produced and circulated among creationists, and the talk has since been widely, and often inaccurately, quoted in creationist literature”

"I put a case for the difficulties and problems with evolution, specifically in the field of systematics. I was too naïve and foolish to guess what might happen: the talk was taped by a creationist who passed the tape to [creationist] Luther Sunderland. ...I was putting a case for discussion, as I thought off the record, and was speaking only about systematics, a specialised field" (Fezer 1984: 5).

Intrebarea pe care si-au pus-o multi dupa povestea cu inregistrarea (nu multi creationisti insa pentru ca ei aveau deja raspunsul formulat) este daca studiile lui Patterson sustin sau nu evolutia cu alte cuvinte daca Patterson insusi sprijina evolutia. Ei bine, Patterson a murit in 1999 trei zile dupa ce a inminat editorului sau a doua editie a cartii sale Evolutia. Daca cineva are dubii cu privire la atitudinea sa privind evolutia cel mai bine ar face sa citeasca aceasta carte. In ea afirma printre altele:

"In terms of mechanism ... the neutral theory of molecular evolution is a scientific theory; it can be put into law-like form: changes in DNA that are less likely to be subject to natural selection occur more rapidly. This law is tested every time homologous DNA sequences are compared. ... But neutral theory assumes (or includes) the truth of the general theory - common ancestry or Darwin's 'descent with modification' - and 'misprints' shared between species, like the pseudogenes or reversed Alu sequences, are (to me) incontrovertible evidence of common descent" (p 119).

Patterson dedica in cartea sa citeva pagini si creationistilor referindu-se printre altele si la inregistrarea fara aprobare a conferintei sale:

"Because creationists lack scientific research to support such theories as a young earth ... a world-wide flood ... or separate ancestry for humans and apes, their common tactic is to attack evolution by hunting out debate or dissent among evolutionary biologists. ... I learned that one should think carefully about candor in argument (in publications, lectures, or correspondence) in case one was furnishing creationist campaigners with ammunition in the form of 'quotable quotes', often taken out of context" (p 122).

Cine mai are indoieli in privinta sursei dezinformarii prin afirmatii de tipul “evolutia nu o cred nici evolutionistii” si intentia cu care acestea sint vehiculate, are un singur motiv – REFUZUL DE A INTELEGE.

Atitudinea si mentalitatea unei persoane nu se pot judeca niciodata dupa citeva fraze scoase din context, uneori e nevoie de timp indelungat pentru a "patrunde" filozofia si concluziile muncii altora.
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Pt. Cassandra - de Paianjenul la: 22/07/2005 21:13:58
(la: Oamenii nu se trag din maimuta)
""Because creationists lack scientific research to support such theories as a young earth ... a world-wide flood ... or separate ancestry for humans and apes, their common tactic is to attack evolution by hunting out debate or dissent among evolutionary biologists."

- Cui ii pasa daca atitudinea sau motivatia creationistilor este gresita si daca asta ii discrediteaza?!... Pentru cineva care n-a promis loialitate nici creationistilor, nici evolutionistilor, relevante ramin pina la urma motivele care dau nastere "dezbaterilor si controverselor dintre biologii evolutionisti" (si nu numai...)...
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